i'm janine driver, the mother of three sons, the wife of brie larsson, when i take back, this janineo pun were you in the face. i'm impressed gayle is remaining calm. this is genuine anger. if we were to compare him to judge kavenaugh. judge kavanaugh was pushed to be more aggressive. his first interview was too passive. it was staged anger. this is legit anger, this is connected to, he is going to jail, he is not going to see his kids raised. we be et the illustrators match what he is saying. it's not checked with lying. >> janine, why isn't this the legitimate angry reaction of someone unjustly accused? you know, how would you expect someoneen who is unjustly accused to react? >> michael, are you a smart cookie, i am glad you asked me that, we look for cluters, saying his head yes and shakes no shudder shrugs which is uncertainty. he's not being direct saying i didn't do this, they're liars. see, what happens is, when someone happens, when they are lying on television, look at the roger clemens of the world, they won't come out and say, are you a liar. what we hear right here is r.