while that person's at d.p.s., they're plugged into the whole system. i want to pause, supervisor stefani because this is an area you really wanted to focus on. i'm joined by my colleague, mark cleary, from san francisco general, who really operates the p.e.s. process. >> chair mandelman: i have a question. all right. so my question is -- i guess i have two. one is -- so the recent audit of the behavioral health services system found that 38% of folks who leave p.e.s. are leaving without a referral. i think d.p.h. disputes that and disputed that in the hearing. how do we -- is there any way that you can help us make sense of why the b.l.a. is quite convinced that 38 -- at least when they did that survey or that study that 38% of folks were getting sent out without a referral and d.p.h. think that's not happening. >> i'd be happy to address that. p.e.s., as stated again, refers everyone who leaves p.e.s. who's not being admit todted t inpatient unit to outpatient services. the 38% is a result of our faultily drop-down in our p.e.s. medical records. the 3

if the attorney general had said it was okay legally, probably those ten democratic unionist party d.p.s would have said we can live with it a probably enough of the conservative brexit supporters would have gone along with it, as well some she's somewhat held hostage by these ten votes in northern ireland because of the fact she lost her marity earlier on. so that's made the government position politically extrely fragile all the way through. added to that, i thnk the conservatives, never mind the majority or the lack thereof, has had real difficulty working out mention themselves what sort of brexit they wan they have been indecisive, unable to sort things out, so there has been a great deal of muddle over the last two and a half years to the frustration of a lot of the british people. >> woodruff: ishat any one person's fault or is it the fault of the system? >> well, you can point the finger of blame at lots of people. you can point the finger of blame if you wish to at david cameron fohaving called the referendum in the first place thinking he would be able to win it if it happened.