it is no surprise at the beginning of the year they shot up 7%gher, high-yield today. at the risk premium embedded in a market like high-yield, let's say you are getting 350 basis points. given the forward-looking view and low amount of default rates, you are getting paid a fair amount for taking on that risk. with the central bankers saying go ahead and do it, you have them behind you. i think it is a decent trade. are you going to make a lot of money? probably not, but you will earn a higher carry, and that is significant. jonathan: people say the credit guys are bullish on credit but equities will be ok. i kind of take issue with that. let's explore it. if negative yielding assets are getting back to $10 trillion, if they are up 60% or something from october, and we know because of that, the japanese investors and european have to go in to u.s. corporate credit and as you say, they have to extend themselves to pick up yield, i am wondering whether the credit market will lead equity into the next downturn, whether it will provide the same signal because of distortion