mark: so louis freeh, the fbi director during much of this, he would be attacked. at the white house? >> as far as i understand it, yes. judge freeh was an absolute straight the shooter, just rock-ribbed integrity, and that didn't play well in the clinton white house. recall even janet reno was frowned upon, and they started taking shots at her through the media too through surrogates. is that correct?po >> yeah. throughout the first term, mark, the first clinton term, she was appointing a number of independent counsel. i had lots of company. andnu just by way of example, henry cisneros. and there really was some culpability there. a guilty plea by linda medlar, these names from the medlar, past. she was calling them as she saw them. think she was being honest and straightforward. but then things changed when the calls came after the '96 election for the appointment of an independent counsel to look into campaign finance and perhaps possibility of foreign -- mark: donny chung, i remember alll these. >> yeah. and louie appreciation as i -- louis freeh, as i recall,