we are joined by peter coy and michael mckee, both of whom knew turface or kruger over minute -- newr over several decades. peter, he was obviously known as a labor economist, among other things, and it great work from terrorism related economics to the gig economy. what are your best memories of alan? peter: he had a stellar career. he was the chief economist in delivered apartment under president clinton, the head of the council of economic advisers under president obama. labor economics was his specialty, but i would say what he is probably most women but for is his work on the minimal wage, finding that contrary to what you will find in any economy 101 textbook up until his work, it is not true that raising minimum wage necessarily kills jobs. he looked across the border between new jersey and pennsylvania as the natural experiment. one raised minimum wage, and one didn't, invest food. he found they did not have -- in fast food. he found they did not have the expected effect. that research and following research to corroborate and extend it helped make the case for the higher men