let's get some expert analysis now and we can bring in dan eggleston who is the president of the international association of fire chiefs dan thank you for coming on in such circumstances i say sad because there's a lot of talk of this being a tragedy national and global what i have been stressing though is thank goodness surely the silver lining is that we've not heard any such reports of any kind of injuries all were what what's your priorities a firefighter when you go into a blaze like this first and foremost is get the people safe then worry about the structure. certainly life safety is always a priority and here it's such a devastating fire because you're talking about a cultural icon eight hundred fifty years old so that must be extremely devastating from the personal side but firefighting in. firefighting in historic buildings like this are extremely challenging because they're not typically built to modern fire code large wide open spaces are prone to collapse and because the cathedral was under construction and renovation in certain areas it made firefighting even more difficult with scaffolding in access for