joining us today to discuss the latest litigation involving big pharma and america's opioid crisis is lyondell of why no radio on america's opiate crisis is lyondell of why no media man you know is one of the interesting aspects of this story is that the prosecutors are not only charging the former executives of rochester drugs. operative but the company had so you know as we saw the new york times reporting the company was conspiring to distribute drugs conspiracy to defraud the united states and we're going to bio suspicious order reports lionel's a former litigator what do you make of these charges. and is a former prosecutor i'm telling you right now twenty miller will drop the whole thing i had clients who would say i'll pay millions or i'm sure i'll chop oh would say can i get that deal how much you want how many billions do you want it you know tyro there's something here we've got to stop for a second this is different than anything my philosophical non prosecutorial belief is always been the drug laws were ridiculous that freedom and to to to incarcerate people who are sick whether it