ed lee from the "new york times," walter isaacson, author and cnbc contributor ross gerber from gerber colin gillis from chatham road partners. so-g guys, we didn't want you to leave. let's get a final thought on what we will be listening for. what's going to be key on the call with this big pop here after hours? >> again, we want more information on services. i think -- i suspect that their owned and operated stuff, apple music, apple news, the forthcoming apple tv that's the thing they want to focus on where it's not a tax thing necessarily it's more the stuff they own or at least they're facilitating and if they can grow that side of it that that's something they can control the destiny of and if they can give us more information on that, talk more about that, that bodes well. but we'll have to see what they say. >> colin, how are you thinking about the valuation? >> tim cook is trying to change the narrative around apple to becoming a services company and rotate away from the iphone. they're giving us more data about services, talking about gross margins. that's all fantastic they'