the second question, under the city department emails, it's under section l on page 7 of the unhighlighted, red lined version. and i see the references to sunshine act and required disclosure. and what is and might have missed this the requirement for maintenance of basically communications that may be records case specific? say a member gets an email from a crime victim about a case. is there a requirement they maintain that for a certain period of time? or how is that -- how do we make sure we're not losing track of evidence? or potential everyday? >> the commission has a record retention policy that is pound -- that bind the department to comply with that record retention policy. so there are -- there's a document that is in the process of being revised, is my understanding from the department, but there is an existing policy that was approved by the commission that speaks to the record retention of documents receive bid the department. >> commissioner: okay. that is a different -- another general order? >> it was passed by the commission. i would have to look back if it was actually th