the response was, of course, to file a lawsuit against ackerman mcqueen that largely targeted oliverth, putting them in an impossible position and effectively forcing him to resign his post as president of the nra. overstate how crazy this is. modernrm created the national rifle association as you know it. whatever the case may be, whatever issues have been going payments,atuitous vague billings -- "issues that are not just specifific to that firm but a wide vavariety of contractors and people connected to senior management, that firm made wayne lapierre -- he is ,ffectively saying right now the wool was being pulled over my eyes. i did not know this was happening. i did not know oliver north had his contract. i did not understand the business arrangements that weree playing out for r the last few decades. do that justifies gradual you never possible way. amy: explain more what you have uncovered about the nra's financial dealings and corruptions. you have oliver north accusing wayne lapierre of gross corruption and vice versa. lack of alear, for better phrase, no one's hands are rea

all the messaging you're familiar with comes from ack ackerman mcqueen.ing door. 25% of employees are managed by former ackerman folks. former ackerman folks work for the nra. nra people work for ackerman. people who hold executive positions at the nra also have stakes in ackerman affiliated companies. >> how much money was ackerman make? >> 2017, the most full accounting we know of, that came to more than $40 million. >> they make more than $40 million. they also pushed nra tv. >> they kree create it, produce. they pay people you're familiar with, north, the nra's president was getting paid some million dollars a year through ackerman. >> i was wondering, because i know a lot of nra members. i grew up with nra members. in fact, i grew up in mississippi and alabama, georgia and northwest florida. i was surrounded. in the pews of first baptist churches, they were all nra members. >> right. >> then i see people coming on and threatening journalists. >> right. >> one actually said to us, your time is running out. they turned over an hourglass. i sat there th