farmer with any vested interest, you can shoot the 16 species of birds at any time of the year with no reason. from the british association of shooting and conservation everyone reliant on general license, the withdrawal of them has come at the worst possible time of year when land, young crops and nesting birds including curlew and lapwing are in most need of protection from marauding birds like pigeons. natural england withdrew the licences, when we put in our application for judicial review we suggested the license was continued until the end of this year and that would give natural england nine months to look at how they would change it so it could be implemented legally next year. we weren't part and parcel of that decision to remove the licences at all. we were merely doing our duty as conservationists to raise this issue. so we could better protect birds which were being needlessly killed, let's stress that, needlessly killed, not birds which were doing damage to any crops. final thought, a number of people always ask, how are you as a bbc television presenter able to work with certain campaigns and publicly state your views in a way other hos