>> it's a fair point, just to let you know, roger staubach, babe ruth, barack obama picked kareem abdul-jabbar you have other athletes through the years. >> you do, and i think you have to go back to the point i was making, that tiger woods has made an enormous contribution in so many areas that reach far beyond golf. yes, he changed the game of golf financially, certainly, but if you look at the impact of the tiger woods learning centers and there are now several across the country, and the scholars named after his father, you could make a pretty strong argument that he deserves this award. >> you know, and just to your point, president obama awarded the presidential medal of freedom to oprah winwinfrey, an she's still mid-career, still going, but it does stand in stark contrast to some of those high-profile african-american athletes who have publicly, you know, not sided with the president, whether it's steph curry or lebron james, for example, or those who have chosen not to go to the white house to be honored. >> yes, i mean, look, on the surface, the optics are not great here. you could a