needed, we work together to be able to provide those. >> so melanie has already been referred to a.o.t. >> correct. >> okay. and she is homeless. >> correct. >> so the case manager has been able to find her and knows where she sleeps on a regular basis. despite that daily interaction, she refuses to accept any voluntary services at all? >> correct. >> okay. , so if we look at this, i will also look at the memo that was submitted to me ahead of time. so once it is determined that a housing conservatorship is going to be pursued on behalf, or for melanie, so you say that the public defender is going to be the one to inform melanie of this? because you have, in step nine, the public defender meets with melanie. >> correct. >> so how is that going to happen? and is the public defender here? >> i believe she is on her way. i spoke to her prior to the hearing. i do not see her yet. >> okay. because i was assured that the public defender would be here. that is who i have a ton of questions for today. >> i know she was in a car on her way before we started, so she should be here momentarily. >> okay. maybe that is her. >> no such luck