you have given us, that people i have had on the programme not so long ago, henry march, one of britten'srank about the fa ct you have both been frank about the fact that you and others have sometimes made mistakes, sometimes you feel you have let patients down. we really want to know all this? well, perhaps i should ask you that. laughter. welcome a good hard to talk question. sometimes i think we would rather not know the degree to which chance is relevant in any serious intervention that you make. i think that is true that in heart surgery, we are i think that is true that in heart surgery, we are extremely honest about the downside. we give patients risks, calculated properly, scientifically, as percentages, we tell them the likelihood of death, likelihood of stroke, likelihood of not getting a good outcome. we tell them the benefits and we tell them to weigh these things so at least we are being honest. nowadays, patients no longer accept the patriarchal approach of well, you know, that you are, my good man. i know what's best for you. that's not good enough. i certainly wouldn't wan

and britten's men secured three bronzes in the boxing. laurent prices into the middleweight final. start. the comfortable victory in their opening game against the host usa, the rose won the tournament in 2017 and beat the americans 38—5 in san diego. they will face canada in their next match injust over a week's will face canada in their next match in just over a week's time. saint helens increased their lead at the top of super league to eight points after coming from behind to beat warrington. they trailed by six points midway through the second half, but fought back, running in three tries to win 21—10 at the halliwelljones stadium. three tries to win 21—10 at the halliwell jones stadium. that three tries to win 21—10 at the halliwelljones stadium. that is just about it for now, but the final practice for the formula 1 austrian grand prix gets under way at 11 o'clock this morning. you can follow all of that on the formula 1 section of the bbc sport website, and i will have more for you in the next hour. john, thank you very much. the national farmers' union says a trial where s