>> a commissioners zouzounis? >> if we're going to skip to the data points, i do think we need to clarify the $50 million that the controllers report from the economic analysis of the ban on flavored tobacco, that was city losses, not industry. >> so $50 million in taxes and fees? >> i believe so. so this has been kind of an ongoing issue for us because we need to identify mechanisms for industry loss which the controller's office hasn't been able to provide. and part of why we're grapling with the monetary loss for the e-cigarette ban is there's not been a formal study conducted on industry loss even from the ban on flafred tobacco. from what i understand, $50 million was a loss to the city and i would assume based on our numbers of some retailers telling me they would lose 45,000 a year that that number in industry losses would be much higher. >> again, it should say annual. we have to qualify the time period over which losses are incurred. >> an i think part of our challenge with being able to fully articulate

>> commissioner riley. >> commissioner zouzounis? >> motion passes 6-0 with one absent. item six, approval of draft meeting minutes, action item. >> has everybody read over the minutes from june 10 meeting? do we have any comments? if not, does any member of the public like to make a comment on the june 10 meeting? seeing none, public comment is closed. do we want to have a voice vote. everybody approve of the commission minutes? say aye. >> we need a motion. >> i move to approve the minutes from june 10. >> i have to abstain. i wasn't there. >> we have a second? >> so before we take the motion, then, if commissioner laguana is needing to -- is not abstained, but recused. you need to ask for recusal from the vote. first. >> who do i ask? >> do you want to recuse -- you don't need to. if you don't miss -- >> if i don't need to recuse, we won't bother. >> okay. i made my motion. >> do we have a second? >> an i'll second. >> all in favor? aye. any no's? motion passes. >> item 7, director's report. update and report on office of small business and small business assistance c

. >> commission zouzounis. >> thank you, all, for your presentation. i have a couple of questions. it was my understanding that we've already banned plastic bags in san francisco, and i know you said there was an exception, but in the industry that i am most familiar with, the small convenience stores and the grocers, my family's business in particular, we made that full switch and we ate the cost of buying paper bags that are stronger with handles at three times the price as the bags that were banned. so in that sense, i do feel like we're being punished for that conversion in particular. so my question is, maybe big grocery trips are less frequent, but we have customers that come in every day. so are we administering this charge for also daily paper bag uses? this isn't just associated with the heavy plastic bags, right? we charge this for regular paper bags as well? >> peter, department of environment. thank you, commissioner. yes, so any checkout bag transaction if it is a paper bag that is provided to the customer for collecting their items to depart, would be subject to the o

. >> commissioner zouzounis: a recommendation that is bigger picture, this is looking at the definition of office use if that is something we can add to our recommendation in addition to what's been said. i would like that. lot of different types of businesses in san francisco. that's a pretty broad catch-all. thank you all for coming. you are the face of san francisco, small business and although, these circumstances are less than ideal, i'm glad that you're in the fold of now advocating for small business in san francisco. knowing we're a reference point to help that. >> president adams: i've been to 3115, 18th street. my massage therapist used to be there. it's a great building to go to if you get lot of massages, it's a great place to get a massage. i'm saying like it is. i agree with what my fellow commissioner have said here. the landlord does need to be held accountable. it's unfair to all of you. you guys all work hard and you pay taxes and you are the heart and soul of the city. it's people like you, the hair dressers, massage therapists, the mental health therapist. those are

. >> a commissioner zouzounis. >> self-imposed. >> i want to echo what the fell hoe commissioner here said and also what -- fellow commissioner has said and commissioner dwight said we can't just fight the technology innovation that is happening, but we need to hold them accountable to better work with small businesses and with that said, i am curious if there is some types of legislative precedents that we can advocate for as a commission far lot of these cloud kitchen is a new one up in front of public safety and neighborhood services on friday asking for a type 20 and 21 off sale liquor license. and these are all companies that will be delivering to individuals, and that will really effect the small businesses especially the officers and will be competing with delivering. ands a and buy from san francisco and independent businesses if they -- because i heard anl amazon's pitch to the committee, and they did not characterize and i know they met with dog patch and i am curious how they presented it to you all because it was very unclear the intentions when they presented to the board

commissioner zouzounis is running late. >> mr.resident, you have a quorum. >> item two. >> u a general public comment allows members of the public to comment on matters within the small business commission's jurisdiction but not on today's calendar and suggest new agenda items for the commission's future considerations. discussion item. >> do we have any members of the public who would like to comment on any item not on today's agenda? okay, seeing none, public comment is closed. next item please. >> item 3, approval of legacy business ap rications and resolutions. discussion and action item. the presenter is richard kuyylo, legacy business program manager, office of small business. >> u a welcome. >> good afternoon, president adams, commissioner, office of small business staff. richard kurylo, legacy business program manager. sfgov tv, i have a power point presentation. for your today are six applications for legacy business registry. the applications were reviewed to me, submitted to planning department and heard by the historic