detlev: it is a type of engineering.t is this genome scissor which eliminates, which can cut precisely at a specific place and it cuts at the place where the virus is integrated in the genome of the patient. and then it can be cut out. brent: the place where the virus connects, especially to the t cells, that place will be blocked by this method. is there any risk to a human being if this process is carried out? detlev: well, these experiments have been successful in three mice out of seven. so it's a 30%, 40% success rate in mice. this has never been tried in men and it will take some time before it can be introduced in men in clinical trials. so, there is hope and we know where to go. and this is obviously a very promising way of new therapies, but the therapy is not yet there and it may be years before it is really effective. brent: that is what i wanted to ask you, what does the calendar look like from where we are right now to clinical trials to maybe even having this as a treatment or a cure? detlev: it is very har

and for more on this now i'm joined here at the big table by detlev gunton he's a specialist in pharmacology he's a regular editor at the journal of molecular medicine mr gotten it's good to have you on the show what do you make of this new method now we're talking about you know affective and effective sure in mice but we're still not talking about an effect if you're in humans so that's right it's in mice it's not in men. but it's a real progress i mean the main thing greedy is that with the present therapy which is effective but still it's not a cure because the virus is still in the body and this is a new method to really give nominates the body the virus from the body so it taught me a little bit about this this new method and what's new about this approach how are we getting the virus out of the body or it's this one. agent christopher cast which i'm sure many people have thought of alton which is used for genome editing but actually originally it was used by bacteria and that was was the toughest cavite to eliminate viruses from bacteria when they attack viruses attack material so thi