look, i think governor granholm is right.nt to see personal attacks launched in the trumpian mold where people denigrate another human being. but going after another record is perfectly fine. and being able to give as well as one takes is absolutely fine as well. i think that the perception that joe biden was somehow outclassed, outgassed and then outtalked may have to be dealt with, and he has a right to address that. at the same time let the records speak for themselves and he has unmasked what a 40-some odd year record. he's got more to come at. therefore, there's more material for his opponents. i think it's absolutely appropriate for him to be able to defend himself in light of the principled assaults that may be launched against him. >> look, we talk about race on this show a lot because i respect the context and nature of the conversation that has to happen because we're nowhere that we need to be. however, when we look at what happened with kamala harris in that last debate, that wasn't an off-the-cuff remark. that wa

jennifer granholm always a plus.or i was taught about how you need to fight in a primary as a democrat, okay? when somebody attacks you, you go like this. take it easy, i don't won't any trouble. you look defensive, right? but look how close your hand has gotten to your opponent and then you hit back. that's what you have to see in this debate. not ugliness, but someone who can put their hands up when they're being attacked and know how to smam back their opponent. it's a metaphor that worked for me when i was like 12 and someone taught it to me. so in terms of the substance of it, the biggest issue that came out of this mueller probe yesterday should be obvious to you. election protection, but it's still not happening. republicans are stopping it. why? the president isn't demanding it. why? we're going to talk to one of the heads of his re-election campaign. what is the way forward? next. adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. so, can it help us fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. but

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the student loan thing is a good thing for democrats. >> governor granholm, you have twice won a swing. three times because you were attorney general, too. are you worried about the democratic party going too far to the left in the primary? >> no, i think that, i think we've got to be careful. obviously, there's a huge spectrum inside the democratic party and going too far left, yes. i don't think those are the candidates. we'll see what happens. i do think bernie sanders won here in the primary so you can't say that is not a strategy. it's the one thing -- >> very good governor, you were a good governor. you didn't govern from the left. >> thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. watch the cnn democratic debates tuesday, wednesday, 8 px eastern right here in detroit. "fareed zakaria gps" starts right now. >> this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the us the and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, a new day dawns in britain as mrs. may exits and mr. johnson takes center stage. former foreign secretary promises to take britain out

joining us now is jennifer granholm, and karen finney.april, i want to start with you because this morning i think it is worthy of -- i'm not going to read the tweet, but the president is tweeting more about elijah cummings. he is leaning into this despite the criticism we just heard from baltimore and despite the controversy we heard over the weekend. this is a choice he's making this weekend, why? >> because he wants to get a certain part of america to vote for him. he wants to show a certain part of america that he's with them. you know, he says he's not a racist, but the racists believe she's a racist. and for someone like me, proud baltimorean born in baltimore, still call that area home. it hurts. it hurts because that's a city, an area that has so many dimpbt ty -- different types of people. it's an area of surviving and overcoming. it's a community that's been hurt over and over again but still we rise like maya angelou says. for this president to demean, to diminish, to discredit a community predominantly black to say that -- act

national news now at an event in detroit last night former michigan governor jennifer granholm questioned whether the current state of the democratic presidential hopefuls. we're really connecting with voters in her state michigan is a crucial swing state that went to president trump in 2016 jeff celanese spoke with state democrats. >>to get their feel for the party's chances in 2020. >>the great state of michigan. >>there's a reason president trump speaks so fondly of michigan he's the first republican presidential candidate to carry the state since 1988 and he's gunning for a repeat. we have very tough to take out. as democratic hopefuls gather in detroit for their second debate this week. there's little appetite 3 litigating hillary clinton's loss in 2016. but the laps of the blue wall michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania is a driving undercurrent of the 2020 race here in michigan one number still seared into the minds of many democrats is 10,704. that's how many votes, trump defeated clinton by we were all. >>and of in disbelief and as we first through life. the numbers were was very

. >> governor granholm, you have twice run a swing states. >> three times. >> are you worried about theratic party going too far to the left in the primary? >> no. i think that we've got to be careful. obviously there's a huge spectrum inside the democratic party and going too far left, yes. but i don't think -- i don't know, we'll see what happens. but i do think bernie sanders won here in the primary so you cannot say that is not a strategy -- >> that's all the time we have. thank you one and all. appreciate it. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. thank you for spending your sunday morning with us. be sure to watch the cnn debates tuesday, wednesday 58 p.m. eastern here in detroit. fareed zakaria "gps" starts right now. >> this is "gps," the "global public square." welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. today on the show, a new day dawns in brittain as mrs. may exits and mr. johnson takes center stage. former foreign secretary promises to take brittain out of the european union in fewer than 100 days. i have a great panel t

and i think that's a strategic judgment he's going to have to make before -- >> governor granholm?think both him and i would say -- beto o'rourke has so much to lose and potentially so much to gain. and how he, you know, identifies himself, he's got a similar issue because he's not quite in one box or the other being from texas. so he's got a moment. you know, honestly, if i'm looking at this, i'm thinking, marianne williamson? he's going to be so happy on that first night because he is really -- i mean, she would be -- she's so progressive and different. she's the one who stands out. plus, you know, she has the opportunity to come across as a little more presidential than some people online have been viewing her as. >> well, if all on tuesday, let say that elizabeth warren ends up on tuesday. you know, these are all large number are moderates who are going to make the case that only a moderate can beat donald trump. you're not where -- the liberals are not where the party is. and elizabeth warren has an opportunity, i think, to say, i can beat him and you want to attack me? come a

. >> governor granholm brought up williams williamson. one of the critiques she has made, wongishness or plans alone, that's not going to win the election, there's got to be more than that, there's got to be a deep understanding of undercurrents in america, and i'm not sure how she phrased it. >> dark and psychic forces. >> to that point, what did you see tonight? >> well, listen, i thought it was fascinating. i thought you had a nonaggression pact between warren and sanders which i found fascinating. they decided not to go after each other. i thought she did an excellent job. >> which by the way at this stage, duke they needed to go after each other? >> it's not going to last, let me be clear. they're going after the basket of progressive voters, it's not going to last. they decided to do it today. they got ganged up by delaney and hickenlooper and bullock and ryan. and i think beto and pete, where's waldo? because they were not in that debate, they didn't move at all tonight. they were already on the next debate stage. but the big issue

former governors jennifer granholm of michigan and virginia. a lot to talk about.s the most important. the generational fight in the democratic party is alive and well is feisty. it was not settled. >> it continues. >> it's going to continue i think deep into the primary season. the big challenge tonight is the big question after tonight and tomorrow night, who gets to continue the fight. and so warren and sanders stood their ground tonight. they were in the middle. challenged repeatedly. can you sell big ideas can the country afford this. will you hand trump reelection. they stood and fought back. warren from the very beginning saying don't have small ideas and don't be spineless. a direct challenge to those challenging her and senator sanders. they didn't go at each other. they will have to some day. they hold too much space. that was delayed as they held their ground against the moderates. the big question is which of the moderates survive. that's not up to us. that's up to donors and voters who send money or raise them in the poll. because this in some ways --