water he asks us if i die here who will find me andrew simmons whole village in georgia well michael carpenter's managing director for the pen biden the center for diplomacy and global engagement is joining us now live via skype from washington thank you very much indeed for your time so. give us i know overview if you will what do you think russia's intentions are towards georgia. well russia has proceeded with this policy of workers' sation which essentially means moving the occupation lie in both south that saudia and up. into georgian territory and this at the same time as its government tries to normalize official diplomatic relations between tbilisi and moscow out so there's a bit of a 2 step a parallel process going on here in reality then with jurors are being cut off from their livelihoods as you just reported on in the setup piece but at the same time the government is trying to normalize relations and pretend as if things are moving in the right direction unfortunately georgian society doesn't see it that way and so over the past 2 weeks we've had unprecedented street protests in tbil

michael smerconish, it does strike me that the smerconishs didn't come over on the m mayflower. >> maybe yours was a carpenter on the mayflower. >> exactly. so how did this comment strike you? i'm sure members of your family have heard the same thing. >> you know, it's so funny you bring this up because when i first saw the tweets, i said it's not about those four. it's not about the, quote unquote, squad. it's about all of us. it's about the melding pot of america. and you're absolutely right. in my case, a generation ago, maybe two, it would have been around the austria hunk garian empire, modern day poland from my father's side of the family. and montenegro for my mother's side of the family. it could have been said about us too. that's the biggest consideration of all. it's about all of us, not just four. >> i think that's a great point. it's a fundamental comment about what america is. friends, thank you, all, for being with us this morning. a great group of americans. >> absolutely. thank you for that conversation. >>> all right. the leader of one of america's biggest allies just spoke out to condemn th