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inquiry just this week, and michelle goldberg, columnist for "the new york times." congresswom congresswoman, last night nobody brought up impeachment. they're running against trump, and they never bring it up. what do you think that's about? >> well, i don't think they were asked about impeachment by the they're yater, and they were trying to present themselves, show they were strong and talk about maybe too many intricacies of policy. >> you mean to tell me that politicians need to have the interviewer bring up a topic? i've been following this thing for 100 years. i got to tell you something, you politicians have no problem bringing up a topic if you want. to why didn't anybody want to bring it up last night? >> well, i don't think it has to do with the fact that they don't support impeachment, because the presidential candidates were some of the first to come out in favor of it. i just think they were more focused on comparing themselves to each other than they were to attacking the president. >> well said. well said. thank you. second question, why do most demo

michelle goldberg, i thought when w. was president, it wasn't like a great leader was president who had a great oratorical ability or connects with the people. he had a very limited connection. he was a high back on the slap i married up and all that bs stuff. but he took us into a war that cost the lyes of 100,000 people. now this president has done something different. he has taken the republican party hostage. they are basically all p.o.w.s. they do anything he wants. they say anything he wants, and he has no connection historically to the party. >> and they have stockholm syndrome. >> and how did he do this, michelle? how did he make republicans like kevin mr. contact thimccarthy i stupid guy. >> i think taking them hostage implies they are unwilling participants in this. i think what donald trump has going for him is he has this kind of limbic connection to the passions and the id if you will of the republican base. and what the republican party has learned over the last few years is that a lot of their voters were

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and michelle goldberg, "new york times" columnist and msnbc contributor. and, felipe, i want to start with you because the divide that played out last night, that could be the divide that defines the rest of this primary. and that's about healthcare. let's will be to this exchange between bernie sanders and john delaney last night. >> medicare for all is comprehensive, it covers all healthcare needs for senior citizens. it will finally include dental care, hearing aids and eyeglasses. >> but you don't know that. >> second of all -- >> you don't know that. >> i do know it, i wrote the damn bill. >> his math is wrong, that's all i'm saying. that his math is wrong, it's been colonel documented that if all the bills were paid at medicare rate, which is specifically i think it's in section 1200 of their bill, then many hospitals in this country would close. >> so we've got this big split over healthcare. you've got the public option, medicare for all, medicare for those who want it, the aca. felipe, how do you see democrats coalescing on this issue, if at all?

or as michelle goldberg put it in her latest column, if it were fiction it would be both too sorted and too on the nose to be believable like a season domestic violence penned by a doctrineaire marxist. who wrote an entire book on how the titans of finance escaped criminal charges in the aftermath of the financial crisis. it really does read like an almost over the top morality play. >> right. and it keeps getting more and more so, right, when you read about this private island that he had, never mind the bizarre temple it seems he built on this island. but the fact that it was known locally as pedophile island, and yet as far as we know, it was never searched. and, you know, the thing about jeffrey epstein is this was out in the open before his arrest, right? donald trump was famously cloeted saying, you know, he likes beautiful women as much as i do, many of them on the younger side. it was kind of a wink, wink, nudge, nudge thing. and then he goes to jail and he comes out. and he is not shunned, right? he is shunned by some people, but he is still having dinner parties. he is still w

. >> in "the new york times" columnist michelle goldberg writes that jeffrey epstein is the ultimate symbol of plutocratic rot. reading here, the epstein case is first and foremost about the casual victimization of vulnerable girls and it's a political scandal. if not a partisan one. it reveals the deep corruption among mostly male elites across parties and the way the very rich with purchase impunity for the most loathsome of crimes. if it were fiction it would be both too sordid and on the those to be believable, like a season of true detective penned by a doctrinaire marxist. he socialized with donald trump who in 2002 described him as a terrific guy, whom he had known for is a years. it's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as i do. and many of them are on the younger side said the future president. in 2000, a porter who worked next door to epstein's manhattan home told a british newspaper, i often see donald trump and there are loads of models coming and going mostly at night. it's amazing. epstein also hung out with bill clinton who rode on his jet many times. maxwe

you can see the reaction from michelle goldberg right now. she's made both debates.he next debate, easily. >> she's a very famous -- she's very famous. she has a huge fan base who are going to put her over the edge. i personally wish that there was a way for her to be excluded from these debates. i think she's embarrassing. i actually think she is not just a harmless cook she gets a lot of credit for the work she did with aids patients in the '80s, and some of that is deserved, but telling people who have aids they can cure themselves if they just learned to feel enough love is both obviously medically idiotic and really psychically damaging to a lot of people. and so she's -- she kind of represents some of the worst tendencies of woo woo left wing california culture and obviously that is part of the democratic firmament, but i would say that our embarrassing fringes are usually less integrated into the rest of the party than the republicans. so yeah, i wish that she -- she should be counted out, although she will continue to be a cultural presence. >> i take her as

as our guest, michelle goldberg notes, even more significant than the growing number of calls for impeachmentlawsuit filed demanding access of grand jury material from the mueller investigation says the committee is conducting an investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. in other words, the judiciary committee would oversee any potential impeachment announced with surprisingly little fanfare that impeachment inquiry is already under way. melanie and the table back with us. that includes michelle. michelle, they are doing on the judiciary committee and lot of work that would go into an impeachment investigation. in terms of the power it has and the calendar, is it likely it would turn into an impeachment? >> i think it's going to be. let's say the house voted. if nancy pelosi did what a lot of people are asking her to do and start an impeachment inquiry, it would be the house voting to tell the judiciary committee to begin the investigation. instead, the judiciary committee is beginning the investigation on its own. impeachment inquiry isn't a term defined in the

> to talk through what happened and what didn't, and the editor for the root and analyst and michelle goldbergriter and analyst. michelle, let me start with you. you and i have talked a lot about the way leadership navigated this. what was your impression of the hearings and the political consequences there of? >> the gap between the seriousness that leadership with which they talk about donald trump's various crimes both with regard to the mueller investigation and other crimes and violations of the emoluments clause, et cetera, the gap between the way they talk about it and what they are willing to do has been for sometime and that underlined how sustainable it's become. you had congressman elijah cummings speaking passionately and eloquently about what challenged our democracy and people will be studying what happens 300 years from now. if something is that grave and of that historic import, we will not start impeachment proceedings because we don't feel like our hand is strong enough now. >> what do you think? >> i watched this hearing and it was like the worst episode of wheel of fortune

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i'm joined by columnist michelle goldberg and editor-at-large for reason magazine matt welch. >> thishe question whether it's at picnics or cocktail parties or anyplace people discuss politics of bothing what it takes for amash as a constitutional conservative, what it takes and what happens. he couldn't stay he believes in the republican party and criticize donald trump. >> right. you remember right after donald trump was elected and there was this feeling of incredible pervasive crisis? there was the "saturday night live" skit about how a grateful nation is waiting for republican tk to come out and do the right thing and everybody wondered that would that be. in the "saturday night live" skit they're created with rapturious applause. in real life they've been basically been consigned to the margins because of how much the base of the republican party, i think what we're learning is a lot of these doctrines particularly the libertarian economic doctrines that jeff flake and justin amash sincerely believe in were at beast resentments at the base of the republican party. they're happy

michelle goldberg and jason johnson, thank you both. >>> up next, donald trump's complete and total takeover of the republican party with his most vocal opponents eventually falling in line behind their racist leader. author tim alberta chronicles trump's rise in his new book. he joins me next. moving is hard. no kidding. but moving your internet and tv? that's easy. easy?! easy? easy. because now xfinity lets you transfer your service online in just about a minute with a few simple steps. really? really. that was easy. yup. plus, with two-hour appointment windows, it's all on your schedule. awesome. now all you have to do is move...that thing. [ sigh ] introducing an easier way to move with xfinity. it's just another way we're working to make your life simple, easy, awesome. go to xfinity.com/moving to get started. >>> way back in 2015, well before donald trump was president or even the republican nominee, back when senator lindsey graham still had a spine and something of a conscience, this is how he described donald trump. >> race baiting, xenophobic religious bigot. he doesn't represent

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. >> here's what michelle goldberg wrote.here was a universal consensus that kamala harris drove on thursday, scoring a blow against biden. the question is whether these victories can convince battle scar women. >> i think what we learned this week is that exchange between kamala harris and joe biden was really, i think, at the core of what the democratic party is mulling over. she started that exchange by saying the only black woman on the this stage, i want a minute to talk about race. i think what she was doing there was putting her race at the center in a way that sometimes people are worried about candidates doing but putting her actual personal story out there. by doing that, she did something joe biden couldn't compete with. it wasn't that he didn't have an answer. he can't say, i was a little girl on that bus. when you watched him try to get the story right and try to get his explaining right, over the last couple days, they haven't been able to get it right. the aides that i talk to understand that a lot of that is b

john, editor at commentary magazine and an msnbc contributor and michelle goldberg, new york times columnistnd an msnbc contributor. we are looking at that vote on the screen right now. it looks like there's one republican now who's actually crossed over and voted no on this. no meaning, no, i don't want to table this, presumably. let's have a debate about the resolution of impeachment. 29 democrats also voting no. we do have a point of reference we can compare this to. al green, the congressman who's introduced this resolution. he's done this a few times before last year in early 2018. he also introduced an impeachment resolution. there was also a vote to table in that vote. the number of nos from democrats was 66. so you see it's 30 right now. that's one thing to keep an eye on, does it go north of that number. you can see democrats about split on that. michelle, i don't know if you could hear what we were putting in place there, but a member of leadership making the case for the democrats to table this and also noncommittal on the broader question of impeachment around obstruction, around

and i think this goes back t to michelle goldberg's point which is trump and epstein and acosta and these people have risen up from a cesspool. a cesspool of people who are involved in this world and now they're here running the country and we're not doing enough to stop them. >> he might call it a swamp. thank you very much. when we come back, we stay where we were because mike pence made a trip to the border. and he just pretends he didn't hear anything, he didn't see anything, he didn't smell anything. it's all fine. but up next, mario will tell us what's happening in louisiana. t what's happening in louisiana. when crabe stronger...strong, with new nicorette coated ice mint. layered with flavor... it's the first and only coated nicotine lozenge. for an amazing taste... ...that outlasts your craving. new nicorette ice mint. ♪ how do you like it, ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ all you can eat is back. how do you like that? applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. >>> welcome back. we are currently monitoring tropical s

. >> i read michelle goldberg's column today, she writes she came to power with the promise to go afterdifficulty. all of these people think that should be priority one for the speaker. >> but at the same time, of the 40 or so democrats who won in 2018, i think 34 or 31 are in districts that trump carried. so the majority of the democratic majority is there in part because people from trump districts won. this gets into the whole impeachment argument. a lot to of them don't want to vote for impeachment and say to their constituents the person you selected for president, i'm dissele dis-selecting on my own. people in the democratic party and support the squad -- i'm on the progressive side myself" say impeachment is a moral and legal imperative, the evidence is there, but it's still possible that the democrats don't have the votes to pass it. that puts her in a difficult position. she is not just juggling, you know -- i think the tea party analogy is overstated. she's not just juggling a division but a big issue she doesn't want to talk about. for good reason. i think she's in a difficul

. >> that's a wonderful column by michelle goldberg. didn't e. two or throw weeks ago? the president was accused of rape and we've, we've moved on. i think it's an extraordinarily effective way of deforming our intention. there's a way in which the formation of intention, this is the deformation of our attention. woe aren't allowed to focus in on something for too long. and it has an effect of just simply wearing us down. here it goes again. here it's happening again. so think about this. you have the issue with acosta and epstein and you see trump gave him the godfather kiss of death. i support him. we know as soon as he says that the person is about to be gone. and you know mick mulvaney wants him out because he's not deregulating at the rate that mick mulvaney wanted him to and you have barry bearing down on new orleans and the gulf coast. you wonder will fema be up and running. you tweeted this. what, will this administration have the withwithall to respond to what is happening on the gulf of mexico to a genuine crisis, you have a gaggle of i