let's discuss this more with phil stocker, chief executive of the national sheep association.joining us. what is the actual effect of a no—deal brexit in practical terms to sheep farmers if it happens? they could beat two immediate outcomes and firstly the possibility we could lose access to the open market entirely which certainly would mean a sudden oversupply of lamb on the british market and secondly if we maintain access to the european market and fell back under wto rules then tariffs would multiply and they are very high for sheep meat, around 46% so effectively they would add 46% so effectively they would add 46% to the value of any lambs being exported to the european union and that would make that trade really difficult and effectively not viable. as johnson spoke about measures to try to help farmers in the event of no deal but what measures would you like to see? we do not want to see an approach by the government allowing the industry to go wrong for the market and then a rescue package of support package coming afterwards, we feel we have got time to think things