that rather than in front iran, you should engage in iran. they say the supreme leader is old -- he turned 80 this summer -- and that there is a chasm between state and society, which is true. even though the europeans have not really supported the street versus the state, and they are looking to say, if iran changes over time, we want them to be engaged when they changed as opposed to isolated when they changed. host: how they respond to this? secretary of state mike pompeo at the un security council meeting tuesday. i want to show it to the viewers and have you respond. he is talking about iran's behavior. [video clip] >> there is just that here is just a short list of what the regime has done since july. july 1, it suppressed its 300 kilogram limit on its uranium stockpile. houthisthe iran backed attacked saudi arabia's airport. july 8, iran reached levels of enrichment about 4.5 percent, breaching its nuclear commitments, which cap did at .67% -- capped it at 3.67%. the irgc navy unsuccessfully attempted to seize a u.k. tanker as it passe

so iran is. feeling, in my estimation, extremely confident that it can make a tremendous amount of trouble for the united states if there is a conflict, and iran is going to go to the mats to try to achieve the lifting of sanctions. a succession of mediators appear to have taken their chance and struck out. there was not a tremendous amount of active mediation appearing to bear fruit. i want to talk a little bit this puts act that countries on european who continue to countries who continue to support the j.c.p.o.a., the nuclear agreement. they feel this was a victory for european diplomacy. they saw no real incredible rationale for the u.s. to leave the accords and yes they are trying mightily to preserve it and they may succeed and they may not. i will talk a bit about what they are trying to do and what others are trying to do to keep this agreement in place and perhaps salvage the situation and maybe pull us back from the brink of conflict, which i think is the point of our meeting today, to

if you did not visit iran and if iran were not invested.i would just recommend reading the paper that i wrote. >> i read it and i would recommend reading it. when you are looking at our rounds proxies it's easy because everything a proxy. >> another panel maybe next week >> we still have many questions. her questions are about the air of nato and i hate to see being ignored. it's not entirely a new idea. it started in 1953 and the obama administration also attempted. egypt has recently withdrawn itself and that being the biggest troop force definitely throws a wrench into the whole concept. they haven't agreed on a concept yet. to go to this site to the audience. >> thank you. i've question about your talking about whether it's working or not but what is the end goal? he wasn't administration in the thing it sounds like they are different and goals. you hear pompeo and he talks about the intervention in different places and the 13 list. you hear reporting about how he doesn't like the whole regime because you can't change the regime's patte

or iran is winning, is iran deterred? is the strategy working? >> 30 seconds. >> successful attacks are destroying militia arms in iraq. successful attacks are being able to thwart and shoot down drones, those are successful, iran has done things but they are not successful attacks. that's the difference. the rewards of this policy, with the risks that are quite high. i don't to the payoffs yet. you may be right. i am skeptical that this snapshot where we are now may produce something produce some -- may produce something different. but to answer your question i don't see them deterred, i see them provoked. and your comments indicate that. they are testing the women -- the limits on how far they can go. there is a broader field in the tactical military. when i look at places, not just yemen you talk about where there is a coalition split in the uae is repositioning itself. the trick -- the team that trump tried to build does not look so cohesive and strong. all the weapons that have flooded the zone does not seem to -- >> i would draw a line with

iran and more sanctions on iran. saudi arabia wanted it emirates wanted it, israelis wanted it in the big donors to trump campaign wanted more pressure on iran. it's domestic politics for him and i don't think -- i can't see him coming back into that jcpoa and can't see him making concessions toward iran that would make it easier for iran to agree to new talks and you have to put something face-saving down on the table for iran to return to the talks and not simply try to wait until 2020 elections because we should point out that all the democratic candidates with the exception of cory booker has that pretty much they would return to that jcpoa if there is a chase you pay to return to which gives iran an incentive to hunker down and somehow state within some aspects of the deal until 2020. it is hard to imagine the sanctions in our colleague robin wright wrote in the new yorker that rand paul, another one of the emissaries to the iranians met with him when he was in new york and invited him to the white house and whe

policy on iran and european policy on iran you know wide wide and immensely. that's the point i mean what would the language be that you would use the when we talk about the deal has it begun to unravel is it unraveling or has it already unraveled i mean it isn't definitely on the verge of collapse and if you what would that mean for european diplomacy in the coming months and years it would be a disaster because this is still the cornerstone of european policy on iran well this is what you know officially european policies has today but you know we have to think beyond the iran nuclear agreement while trying to keep it and for that to happen the europeans must figure out a way to provide iran with the economic dividends that iran wants but this is something that is unlikely to happen so you know the there is no doubt that the days if you ways and you know vital crisis but we have to move beyond not only because of the sunset clauses of the agreement itself that are going to kick in in the next few years but also because of other issues of concern that is that

from threaten to obliterate iran yet called off a planned air strike up an ostomy that war with iran is the mother of all wars counted iran's president hassan rouhani though he signaled a willingness to talk. just a lot of saber rattling before they sit down at the negotiating table. as i used to question is it a lot of saber rattling or is there more to it for the again the chronology that you're all film shows. it is wrong because it starts as if you know the stroke of the pen by by donald trump was it wise was it not wise i don't know it was the beginning iran has been used you said it has been attacking in the region syria yemen and lebanon on. funding hamas funding terror groups all over the place for years now and the the withdrawal from the nuclear agreement was a retaliation to aggression which started with iran now i'm not saying that saudi arabia for instance which is scared stiff of iran is that some kind of angel is there a horrible regime but they are a status quo received they don't want to change the delicate balance of power in that region iran is a revolutionary regi

for iran? if trump will make no concessions, if they won't restore any of the oil wavers to iran, why should they return to talks? there's simply no rationale for it that i could see. i don't know what the others think. >> just a couple of footnotes to this. i may be a little-- i wouldn't use the word dissent because that's too strong, but i do believe that iran-u.s. problems go beyond trump. this is the -- trump is the culmination of the process that started and frankly, on this i have to say, depending who started what, it depend when in history you want to start. i mean, there are a lot of things that depends on the date you choose. i think the first salvo was from iran and that was first the hostage crisis and then there was the ayatollah h khomeini thing. and then after that, the clinton administration. in my humble opinion, united states lost the best opportunities to actually have a cokocomprehensive talks with n the best time in 1988. i know this for a fact. i don't want to go into this

policy toward iran. i would like, for those of you interested, to recommend to you the most recent work for us if you go on our website, the arabcenterdc.org, his most recent paper on tunisia and north africa adjusting to the departure of the president and trying to cope with the transition there, and also another one on the subject of today, a paper that was written a couple of weeks ago before that, on the subject of dealing with iran. let me just say that aside from a nonresident fellow at the arab center, daniel brumberg is a director of democracy and government studies at georgetown university. he is also a senior nonresident fellow at pomed, the project on middle east democracy here in washington. he served as advisor and consultant, special advisor to the u.s. institute of piece between 2008 and 2015. he has worked in various advisory capacities to the u.s. government, including the state department, the u.s. agency for international development, focusing particularly on his specialty, human right

and iran, and tonight we get a rare view of things from inside iran >> reporter: we're in iran as tensions in the u.s. grow. we travelled via germany one of few western european airlines still flying to an increasingly isolated iran. here on the ground in tehran, we find a country that remains defiant in the face of its high stakes, high risk staredown with the united states. one of my first stops, the ministry speaking with javad zarif not long after he rejected an invitation to meet with president trump. >> do you think it was a result of your refusal? >> it was presented to me as such you will will be designated in two weeks, but you have an invitation to come to the oval office >> it was that quick >> that's one hell of a way of inviting someone for negotiations >> why reject it why not go visit the president, sit down, have a cup of tea, and talk it over >> we have talked it over. we talked with the previous administration at length we were talking to the current administration at the deputy foreign minister administer level >> the white house telling nbc news assertions that the admi

when iran wakes up. well this certainly will be just another example the iranians will point to the fact that the united states doesn't really understand how the islamic republic system works the idea that they think by sanctioning the foreign minister they will get to a more powerful person in the system to talk to it's. really absurd because the foreign minister is somebody who is a very very close to the highest authority in around the supreme leader the supreme there self quite a lot of common in the past has expressed his satisfaction with how the foreign minister has conducted these negotiations over the nuclear agreement he's thanked the foreign ministry for all their efforts the idea that by bypassing the race they will get to somebody powerful in the system that will they will be able to talk to is unheard of really it will never happen the iranians chose the foreign minister as the person to lead the negotiations to bleed the dialogue in the international community about it or not or to put it.

that iran governs by ideology has an arsenal of believes in iran's ideology headed amitie believes in iran's ideology it's not like checks coming out of any of they give it to islam or whoever and then they betray them later on and this is the issue here iran is it promotes the grassroots movement i'm not saying this is a good thing but this is the reason that they have been able to dominate this is why the americans launched the hearts and minds because they realize that no matter how much they batter the share populations in iraq or indeed in in syria or the like it just seemed to make iran stronger because iran seemed to be that resistance in the face of american aggression the reality is you have 2 very competing good genders in the region israel and iran both are detrimental to the region and both are now trying to fight each other under a simmering conflict without it going into an all out war none of them want to all out war everybody wants the u.s. to do the fighting where the u.s. is refusing right to do the fighting and this is why we have skirmishes all right sami hamdi in

iran is supporting its erstwhile allies.pletely exaggerated is the extent to which iran was able to use the normalisation of relations as a result of thejcpoa, in your phrase, to ramp this up. in my view, i understand why — exactly why iran has been doing that. it's because it's weak militarily, very weak. it spends one fifth of what saudi arabia spends on armaments, an infinitesimal amount compared to the united states, and it's using its neighbourhood as its form of defence. now, in my view, since most of the iranians are desperate for a normalisation of the relationships, that had we settled the nuclear deal, then those other issues would have been subject, could have been subject, to negotiation. your book makes me wonder, too. you've written this book — the englishjob: understanding iran and why it distrusts britain. it's a fascinating book, and indicates that the links go, with the country, very deep diplomatically. you know foreign minister zarif very well. your wife travelled through iran, and had you adventures in t

deal with that iran can have. a nuclear bomb in 10 years or the morris had to do was to wait now if that's a triumph of diplomacy then then then then then the munich agreement was was was i mean come on. promise someone you get to put the bomb in 10 years and you call it a draw and. what would it be any of us to prevent iran from enriching. the. atomic material the bomb so it was very effective and the hope was that once you reduce the pressure on the regime that this democratic change that was to evolve would somehow be possible and i'll bet you that i mean not that didn't but that really worked very well they if yes then no they started having demonstrations all of these women no longer of airing this guy off but all these movements are now dead because it puts pressure on the regime so that was the possibility of having a peaceful change in iran and everything's destroyed just by it. but bring in ali i mean no where to start to look. at i think i mean i mean i do agree with what was said about iran's role but p

is interested in talking to iran as as it has said it is what what incentives can can it all for iran i mean what reason would there be for iran to get back to the negotiating table giving given all of these decisions all of these moves that it be made by the u.s. to put more pressure well i think they may have in mind the north korean example when they did even more threatening nuclear war and putting on watch more severe sanctions as well and in the end the north korean leader decided well i better go talk with president trump and see if we can settle this now and we know that that issue is still very much in the air it's not clear if that's going to reach a settlement but i suppose they can imagine the same process occurring in iran that after increased sanctions with iran facing the reigning government facing of dire consequences they may decide well we better send some special envoy who has the authority to negotiate a more comprehensive agreement that and that may be the logic that there i mean for good to speak with you richard watch thanks so much abuse. germany has rejected a

wants to convince trump to go to war with iran and we've decided to do that by targeting iran all right mohammed coming back to you central to everybody who opposes iran at the moment central to their accusations against terror on is the desire to spread the revolution which was clearly stated in 1979 and furthermore. dollars statement that the iranian government is seeking to establish what he called a crescent of sheer influence throughout the middle east i mean isn't that the core problem which is why tehran is facing so many issues confronting its neighbors and of course united states. no i think that's the narrative that they and like to create after all the central cause in our region is the palestinian issue palestinians are almost universally sunny and that have the iranians have been a post of our tide in palestine since the since before the revolution so it's not sectarian or for example in the case of bosnia when the boss is were being massacred and decimated the only country that really went to the aid of the pot boson's and helped save the country where the iranians in bosn

in syria in lebanon and in iraq so why is benjamin netanyahu escalating tension with iran will iran respond and if so how this is inside story. thanks thanks thanks. hello i'm denis welcome to inside story now israel is being blamed for a string of attacks against iranian allied forces in 3 countries over the weekend and that's raised tensions across the middle east early on monday 3 israeli airstrikes reportedly hit a base belonging to a palestinian group in lebanon in the town of khowst saya right on the border with syria now those attacks came a day after 2 israeli drones calls damage in the capital beirut one of them hit a building which howls the media office of the iranian backed hezbollah in the city's southern suburbs another israeli drone explain did in the air in the same area. well israeli forces also carried out drone attacks in iraq and in syria israel did not respond to the accusations that it's a sort killed at least one fighter from iraq's popular mobilisation forces but benjamin netanyahu says the operation in damascus which triggered syrian anti-aircraft fire was t

and not respond if you like but iran will not do this because iran is so frame and iran has its own strengthand its own authority and these railings and the americans can't deal with this because they don't know what to do but instead they turn around and they're ready to sell nuclear information whatever that might mean to you know a rogue nation like socal saudi arabia which are literally like cuts its own people up some acid when they disagree with them and then buries them you know in some dust bowl somewhere so it's a case of people need to understand that iran is not the enemy can't iraq is not the problem israel america they are the problem all right i really appreciate your time again on the house and ali. for coming on to us to thank you for having me. so i begin to take a look at the case of a texas man who was executed last week for rape and murder despite his lawyer insisting scientific evidence was ignored which would have cleared his client it's an extortion. you know world of big partisan movies lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that main

yes exactly they are people who know nothing about iran or very little about iran or if they do know a thing or 2 about the country they really can't say the truth because if they do then they lose their position their think tanks or their they've ceased to be invited to different organizations or platforms so this is economic warfare everything that comes after it is the foundation of that is is this economic warfare so the heightened tension in the region in the persian gulf in the strait of hormuz in the sea of oman or the gulf of oman is based upon this economic warfare now there are conflicting. perspectives or conflicting reports as to what is actually happening the iranians are very suspicious about about some of the attacks the attacks of the port of jade in the united arab emirates have to have happened right after bolton said that he had received intelligence from the israelis the iran is about to carry out that in an attack the one off of the iranian coast is even more suspicious because the americans said mind to use the chinese owner of the ship the japanese owner of the

at the behest of iran netanyahu often harps on about the supposed dangers of iran but when it comes to the facts the islamic republic is often on the receiving end of military violence about a year ago israel struck nearly all of iran's military structures inside syria it was the country's biggest assault since the beginning of the civil war back then netanyahu played the very same preemptive strike card whenever he wants we will hit back sevenfold whoever prepares to strike at us we will act to strike at them beforehand this is what we have done and this is what we will continue to do the never ending demonize ation of iran might have made israel its share of enemies in the middle east but in the west it's reeled in some powerful allies this is 40 years 40 years of malign behavior so whether it was seizing a british tanker that was in international waters or shooting down an american you waving that was also in international airspace or assassination campaigns in europe are trying to kill an ambassador here in the united states has this long history of blind behavior iran had its t

i listen both iran and israel for their assessments of the situation iran is trying to envelope israel from all of this through his ball which is the fact of lee iran through syria through iraq and even through gaza it's like a big octopus sending its arms in order to strangle israel the problem you have the israelis like this oil out of the world. and because no one no one calls it to account it's allowed to get away with essentially murtha is talking to and hit 3 separate severin countries in the past few days israel has no issue with iran if iran would focus inward on its own people and stop trying to destroy israel as it explicitly says it'll do and if i meant to tear around the world we would have no issue with iran however iran has decided to attack israel to build forces and to strangle israel but we're not going to wait with defense systems you don't win by playing defense you have to preempt and that's what we will do i see no one questioning why israel is doing something why israel is provoking the situation at the end of the day israel needs to understand that iran has said

if iran would focus. on its own people and stop trying to destroy israel as it explicitly says it will do and therefore meant to tear around the world we would have no issue with iran however iran has decided to attack israel to build forces and to strangle israel but we're not going to wait with defense systems you don't win by playing defense you have to preempt and that's what we will do i see no one questioning why israel is doing something why israel is provoking the situation at the end of the day israel needs to understand that iran has said this time and time again that look you're playing with fire you don't do this don't be silly behave yourself iran has been a real interest in starting a war and iran will not stop simple it's a long and i said it categorically. what iran will do if it is attacked or its allies within the resistance axis are directly attacked they will retaliate and rightly so because in this case the aggressive the one who is instigating problems who's lying and making up fairy

trade with with iran but. it's not really affecting them directly but with threatening to. carry carry the conflict into the international trade to the persian gulf and the strait of hormuz. the europeans became much more alert to add to that the fact that they were not able to actually cooperate with their strongest partner the usa in keeping mission to secure and protect the free passage through the persian gulf because the frictions on the on the iran issue and i think this is also one of the reasons why the way the europeans tried to actually get back into talking mode with the u.s. as president tom said who knows maybe we will see some movement on that issue garrett coming back to you on one of the other big issues we've been talking a lot about today namely the u.s. is trade conflict with china and we heard president trump say a few times during that press conference that china is really suffering from this but we also heard president called say we have recognize the fact that the rules governing world t

there are some positive words perhaps on iran how is that being received. well sumi the president here really confirms what we have heard before from other world leaders that including angle america that actually there was agreement that's tensions with iran should be east french diplomats when he went a step too far to say that the french president had to a mandate to pick up diplomatic relations in order to achieve that goal but overall there was agreement and now the american president has confirmed that he's on the same page and so german chancellor in a common press conference with the american president also just look at it's still a long way to go but very positive signals here from be a it's a character day they will come back to you again in just a moment with the iranian foreign minister in berets iran is looking to defuse tensions with the u.s. after it pulled out of the 2015 international nuclear chord and the u.s. is applying a policy of maximum pressure that includes economic sanctions did it is to face a tough it has been looking into what th

cross talking in iran i'm joined by my guest mohammad marandi and he is a professor at the university of tehran in beirut. become ill was me he is a professor and political analyst and in florida we cross to robert rebel he is a professor of political science at florida atlantic university all right gentlemen crossed rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mohamed let me go to you 1st and to ron give me your side or how iran's sees this whole thing playing out because iran's point of view is virtually silent in western media so western audiences don't know the other side of this story or i would put it a artificially generated impending complex go ahead mohamed. the most important thing in this story is that the united states is waging economic warfare against iranian women and children the united states is accessorizing what our foreign minister said economic economic terrorism and that they are trying to make the iranian people suffer and to force the iranian people to suffer so much that the government will submit to the united states

it will do and tear around the world we would have no issue with iran however iran has decided. to build forces in to strangle israel but we're not going to wait with defense systems you don't win by playing defense you have to preempt and that's what we will do the problem you have is very loose like this oil brought over the world. and because no one no one calls it to account it's allowed to get away with essentially murder. it's targeted and hit 3 separate sovereign countries in the past few days i see no one questioning why israel is doing something or why israel is provoking this situation at the end of the day israel needs to understand that iran has said this time and time again that look you're playing with fire don't do this don't be silly behave yourself iran has been a real interest in starting a war and iran will not start a war it's a long time and i have said it categorically however what iran will do if it is attacked or its allies within the resistance axis are directly attacked they will retaliate and rightly so because in this case the aggressor the one who's

iran is trying to envelope israel from all of this through has which is affectively iran through syria through iraq and even through gaza it's like a big octopus sending its origins in order to strangle israel we're not going to wait for iran to succeed but obviously will preempt and we will defend israeli lives and israeli citizens security anywhere anytime that we need to do so even though israel has arguably one of the most formidable defense systems on the planet with the i and also some significant allies around the world to these preemptive strikes maybe a little bit jumping the gun for want of a better phrase. quite the contrary what we're seeing is an aggressor which is a row. israel has no issue with iran if iran would focus inward on on its own people and stop trying to destroy israel as it explicitly says it will do and if amending terror around the world we would have no issue with iran however iran has decided to attack israel to build forces and to strangle israel but we're not going to wait with defense systems you don't win by playing defense you have to preempt and tha

the people who are in iran or it's in. north korea or in china or russia it's actually. international world order basically what we. been seeing that the fired line for the united nations and basically it is the of the. administration and his. secretary trying to rule the world there is nobody but the united states in charge of this world i think this in terms of using economic sanctions and economic function then my aftermath is harder then a war because. a lot of harm on people especially who are not supposed to be. part of the equation in the end the people who got the harm in this confrontation are the. people the throughout the world that is they've both been almost economic function all over 2000000000 people and they haven't really thought well that's the real worry because if the sanctions don't work and they want this they're outcome of regime change they will up the ante here let me go to robert here robert i mean i suppose all of this watching this unfold here is that there is such a possibility of miscalculation in misinterpretation they could bring a conflic

to iran a message to iran that president promises he's going to come over on behalf of our g 7 countries no i am just as. i have trump has also sent mixed messages about the u.s. is trade war with china a dispute that shaking the world economy and worrying g 7 leaders trump told reporters that he had 2nd thoughts about u.s. tariffs on beijing the white house later said the what he meant was that he had regretted not hiking those tariffs higher positions were clearer in trump's 1st meeting with the british prime minister trump threw his support behind briggs it and boris johnson and promised an attractive trade deal if the u.k. leaves the e.u. you need to know if this is the right man for the job michael will undoubtedly hope the unshared jeweled invitation to iran's foreign minister could be a step to deescalating tensions in the region even though for now zarif says he has no plans to meet the u.s. delegation or trump natasha butler al-jazeera pierrots our diplomatic editor james bays joins us now from there it's james 1st of all that's all we know about the schedule of mr gerard sorry