he had this great feud with jefferson davis probably jefferson davis most outspoken critic most peoplehave never heard of. he ended up getting elected to the federal congress something believed he did that just so he could stand up on the confederate floor of the confederate congress and talk about jefferson davis. that's all he did demanding investigations of jefferson davis. talking about jefferson davis what a coward he was and how he was growing up the whole war effort. over and over again. he was kind of this maniacal, could be this maniacal guy that led this colorful life to say the least. when he died all the obituaries of people who loved him bought into what he was doing or probably more people hated him because he tended to burn his bridges wherever he went. one other thing he did his a politician if all that wasn't enough he ran for office as a jacksonian democrat as a wig as a mainstream democrat as a union democrat, as a member of the know nothing party, as a confederate congressman, and finally ended up joining the republican party after the work. he did all of that as we

newspaper treatment dives in, and jefferson davis talks about it as a heroic victory. davis was never one to withhold from a bad cause. his take on emancipation was the blackest crime in all humanity. this is called going all in if you're going to be wrong, be wrong on a biblical scale. so there's not a lot of public remorse. there are certainly soldiers, famous testimony from achilles clark, sergeant in tennessee that writes about fort pillow and writes to his sister saying this is what happened. it is clear he thinks it shouldn't have happened. brains could have been scooped up in any quantity from skulls bashed in with rifle butts inside fort pillow. but no. i haven't seen a great deal of that. what you see is tendency to say they didn't happen in the way the union overdrama advertised this. we were trying to take the fort and it was an accident. but not a clear reckoning with that among that wartime generation, even though there's plenty of evidence from people that talk about it. in private correspondence, i guess i would say, in private correspondence people that

jefferson davis was observing this and drawing more and more concerned. the men who are held and they are held in new york and jefferson davis was to take an equal number of u.s. officers in this case, and he puts them in hard labor in richmond and says if the men captured on these privateers are executed i will do the same to them and i have captured. he issues and affect what is called a retaliatory threat and i will talk about retaliation as it works within the laws of war later. lincoln blinks in this instance. he recognizes an important restraint and the larger question of who can fight exacerbates the problems of the war. lincoln recognizes that he has to effectively agree that the confederacy is an independent state. in terms of how he treats those soldiers that they will be recognized as public enemies. and houston prisons and given medical care if they require it. that is a decision he is forced into by war. one place we see real tension on how lincoln believes the war should be fought, not that he wants an unrestrained war that he does not want

he had this great feud with jefferson davis probably jefferson davis most outspoken critic most peoplee never heard of. he ended up getting elected to the federal congress something believed he did that just so he could stand up on the confederate floor of the confederate congress and talk about jefferson davis. that's all he did demanding investigations of jefferson davis. talking about jefferson davis what a coward he was and how he was growing up the whole war effort. over and over again. he was kind of this maniacal, could be this maniacal guy that led this colorful life to say the least. when he died all the obituaries of people who loved him bought into what he was doing or probably more people hated him because he tended to burn his bridges wherever he went. one other thing he did his a politician if all that wasn't enough he ran for office as a jacksonian democrat as a wig as a mainstream democrat as a union democrat, as a member of the know nothing party, as a confederate congressman, and finally ended up joining the republican party after the work. he did all of that as well.

jefferson davis said it was a national calamity. secretary of war james said his loss is irreparable. three pages long had a eulogy to jackson in his report to congress in 1863. in virginia, particularly in richmond and in the valley our utter despair. he has fallen and a nation weeks and one editorial. in the carolinas and the deep south, the despair was mirrored and sometimes exaggerated even more, the most serious loss we have set yet sustain said one newspaper editor. a national calamity was the renter aided by another. he was absolutely in viable to a cause and yet another and in one paper, they said there is universal poem across our community and this was several weeks after jackson's death. it was persisting, he went on for weeks. in england, in england and his papers pick this up as well. one of the major papers, i think it was a time, surely the most fatal shot to the war in confederates and yet to in the north after his death generally could not replace him. that was oliver otis howard who said that. so my final conclusio

>> he goes with jefferson davis. he is selecting the main route, davisdefend the jefferson highway, let's make sure we can be at manassas, but we have to defend this artery. he is laying out the keyway to defend the railroad. he is acting as the grand strategist and as an engineer to help the confederacy achieve its goals. that is the simplest way i can put it. it is incredible that the southerners could keep a road between charleston and savannah going that whole time, and to gound a way back and forth. he has a military adviser to jefferson davis, but he is also accomplishing all different feats that had an impact on the confederate army. last question, anybody? thank you very much. i will be around here. thanks to the gettysburg heritage center and to c-span. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> thank you also very much for coming out tonight. announcer: le

that is there are confederate letters of mark issued by jefferson davis to privateers. those men are captured. there are three ships captured. one goes to new york, one goes to philadelphia. and the men who were on those confederate ships go into regular criminal court. and in fact in new york the judge says to the jury, you have to decide whether we're at a state of war to determine the jurisdiction and to determine the outcome of this case. you can imagine these men, that is the citizens of new york who happened to end up on this case, thinking, i don't think that's my decision. that's above my pay grade. the decision about whether we're at war is taking place presume mri presumeably at the white house or some larger sphere. the men who are held in new york at the tombs which is the city's notorious jail. he takes the highest ranking men captured thus far, puts them in hard labor at richmond and says if the men captured on these private tiers are executed -- he issues a retaliatory threat. i'll talk about retaliation a little bit later. lincoln blinks in this instance

and then to be assistant secretary to be in charge of pow for the confederacy with a jefferson davis lawyer. but at the time the deputy he actually wasn't the best us attorney that basically because of his family and political connection and with those important responsibilities to put all the work off on him. to have the biggest microscope in the history of the world and then appointed by president buchanan to be key of the us attorney as a phenomenon of american history and thenin to be appointed in a murder case. and then with judge crawford presided by president polk almost every major trial in washington dc up to that point. so one thing that struck me about the book is all the fascinatingg people who participated in some way who were part of the life of daniel sickles and meets his wife teresa when she is very young and in the house of her grandfather they are preparing him for entry to the university of new york. his name is lorenzo most famous but starts off as a young man and becomes a priest he decides that life is not for him. ultimately he is expelled from the city of ven

jefferson davis, any book that said anything bad about jefferson davis you couldn't do it. but the slaves are mistreated and they hadn't been happy in their condition and they couldn't do it as a book. that was for common core, a lost cause. that was the beginning of the lost cause mythology that culminated well in physical form with all of the confederate monuments. all of the confederate monuments, not literally everyone, were built in the 1890s in the early years of the 20th century. they were the physical manifestation of redemption of the rise of white supremacy. and when i heard about the murders that mother emmanuel church, at first i thought that anybody who would pray that nine black people including the preacher and i did the last interview with the reverend, as it turned out, that anyone who would pray with the people wednesday night at a prayer meeting for an hour and then systematically kill them had to be purely deranged. there must be an unfortunate set at for someone who is suffering from an insane mental condition. he was a white supremacists he picked the

jefferson davis, any book that said anything bad about jefferson davis you could not use. that the slaves were mistreated, but they had not been happy in their condition, you could not you do it. as a book. her common core cut was a lost cause. that was the beginning of the lost cause mythology that culminated in physical form with all of those confederate monuments. all those confederate monuments, not literally everyone, were built in the 1890s and the early years of the 20th century, they were the physical manifestation of redemption of the rise of white supremacy. and when i heard about the murders at mother emmanuel church, at first i thought that anybody who would pray, i did the last interview with the reverend, anybody who would pray with the people, for an hour, and then systematically kill them had to be deranged. it must be an unfortunate and sad, act by someone who was suffering insane mental conditions. but he was a white supremacist. he knew what he was doing, he picked that church because it was the heart of the black community. in reconstruction. and he was

he said this in direct response to jefferson davis who supported the bill. looking back, one would expect the smithsonian bills to be wig measures because of their incipient nationalizing tendency, but prominent democrats either defended or in polk's class signed the legislation in question. i had a powerpoint today. i had some interesting images i wanted to show you for the next point, but that's fine. i'll tray to describe it. one explanation for this that could be inferred in my view, but not proven involves evidence of personal relationships. in the 1840s there emerged small networks of influential men, and scientists with the national institution and later the smithsonian and typographical engineers in the army who had access to wig and democratic politicians and democratic politicians and who could through publications and maps reach a wider public. through some of the men and wives and daughters, there were intimate ties of party and friendship that crossed party lines. for example, an engineer from 1843 the superintendent of the u.s. coast survey was

jefferson davis, any book that said anything bad about jefferson davis, you couldn't do it. that the slaves were mistreated, that they hadn't been happy in their condition, you couldn't do it as a book. her common core was a lost cause and that was the beginning of the lost cause mythology that culminated in physical form with all those confederate monuments, not literally every one, were built in the 1890s and the first -- in the early years of the 20th century. they were the physical manifestation of redemption of the rise of white supremacy. whp i married about the murders at the church, the first thing i thought was -- and i did the first interview of the preacher as it turns out. i had a prayer meeting for an hour and then they killed them must be deranged. that must be an unfortunate, sad act by someone who was suffering from insane mental condition. but he was a white supremacist. he knew what he was doing. he picked that church because it was the heart of the black community in reconstruction and he was quoted as saying they're stealing our women, they're taking our

. >> host: did jefferson davis ever win an election, an actual election. >> guest: he was a senator -- >> host: csa. >> guest: he was nominated to -- in a constitutional convention as the moderate in montgomery, alabama in february of 1861 and i didn't think he if did stand for election. americans think the con federal constitution -- their told the confederate constitution was a replica of the u.s. exhaustion constitution put wasn't. they had a one-material executive, and i -- one-term executive i believe wait as five-year executive term so he avoided re-election. >> professor mccurrie, was there a lot of political infighting during the war in the south? >> guest: yeah, there was. and there were no formal political parties. i mean, one of the things that is interesting about confederacy, so quickly was on the ropes. a lot of things that were planned never really materialized. and there was political opposition but it was in a creak clique kind of form. there was in republican party ticket. you couldn't vote for lincoln in the deep south. i think in virginia you could vote for lincoln

america in charge of hostage, prisoner of war swap for the confederacy and also will go on to be jefferson davis' lawyer which is of particular interest to those in this room from gettysburg. he was not actually the best u.s. attorney and he's there basically because of the family name because of political connections and gold does a lot of the work but he is also intermittently sick and travels and so you put a lot of the most important possibilities on robert gould but i thought it was interesting he faxed robert gould life by putting this work off on him now by dying he has given him the hardest case under the biggest microscope in the history of the world. gould will be appointed by president buchanan to replace key as the u.s. attorney and this might be a singular phenomenon of american history where you have to wait for a u.s. attorney to be appointed any murder case because the other one and killed. you got this incredible lineup trying this case in front of judge crawford has been appointed by president polk and presided over every major trial in washington dc up until that point. one of

he said this is a direct response to jefferson davis years ago. looking back, one would suspect them to be wig measures. but, prominent democrats either defended or at least sign the legislation in question. i had a powerpoint today, i have some interesting images i wanted to show you for the next point, but that is fine, i will try to describe it. one explanation for this that can be inferred in my view but not proven, involves evidence of personal relationships. in the 1840s, there emerged small networks of influential men, scientists associated with a national institution and the smithsonian, and topographical engineers in the army who had access to whig and democratic politicians, and who could, through publications, reach a wider public. through some of these men and wives and daughters, they were intimate ties of friendly family and friendships that crossed lines. the superintendent of the u.s. coast survey was the great- grandson of benjamin franklin. his uncle, george dallas was polk's vice president, his sister mary, the treasury secretar

the jefferson davis was so involved in building the capital building. in such a premier outstanding class that it is. with the columns and so on. you can look at all the other federal buildings. the capital is unique. it is the best. jefferson davis probably more than anybody else was responsible for that. and then later he became president of the confederacy. he more than any other senator was responsible for the building and design, and the architecture and so on. my complements to the historical society. you're doing a fantastic job. it's a great story to tell. and it's a great honor and privilege to be part of the senate, the capital, and frankly to be member of the best committee in the congress. the finance me. thank you all very much. [ applause ] >> thank you. very much senator nickles. i want to tell you that anytime you want to have a good historical to her, the chief tour guide will be happy to take you through the capital. he has a 10 hour tour that is available. when i first came i said i want to come on one of your tours. and he said you w

jefferson davis probably more than anybody else was responsible for that. later he became president of the conferr confederacy. he more than any senator was responsible form architecture and design. my compliments to the historical society for doing a great job. you have a great tore to tell. it's always an honor and privilege to be part of the senate, the capital, and frankly to be a member of the best committee in the congress and that's the finance committee. so thank you all very much. [ applause ] >> thank you very much, senator nickles. i want to tell you that any time you want to have a good historical tour, our chief tour guide steve livengood will take you through the capital. has he a ten-hour tour that's available. when i first came i said, steve, i want to come on one of your tours. he said, do you want the ten-hour tour? i said, could we have a shorter version to start out? he does know every background. we are dplelighted to provide tt to current and former members. there's one other former member i want to acknowledge. mary landrieu, you know

that eventually the lee family was compensated for their loss at arlington, what happened to jefferson davis is a state? >> yes, well actually the land was owned by his brother . parts of the land were in davis family control but part of it was the community and some of the land was sold to some of the free people there. then this was tied up in litigation and some of these basic details will escape me. much of the land eventually at the process of the litigation went back to the davis family. so this was decades later, some of the free people had to leave there. but there was a thriving community for quite some time for a number of years after the war. >> all right thank you. >> i'm from massachusetts, i read your book recently and was surprised at how many things, how many elements of the book i was completely unaware of so i thank you for that. i'm curious, in the course of your research, what did you find the most significant surprise that was something you came across that blew you away? >> i think the whole thing . there was so much i did not know about. gosh, one of the surprises, it

what happened to jefferson davis's estate? >> yeah. well, actually the land was owned by his brother, and parts of the land were in davis family control, but parts of it became this community known as david bend -- davis bend. some of the land was sold to some of the free people there. but then it was tied up in litigation, and some of the basic details are going to escape me. but much of the land eventually as a process of this litigation went back to the davis family. so there was -- this is decades later. some of the freed people had to leave there. but there was a thriving community for quite some time for a number of years after the war. >> hi. thank you, amy. stan from east long meadow, massachusetts. i read your book recently. i was surprised by how many things -- how many elements of that book i was unaware of before. i thank you for that. i'm curious in the course of your research, what did you find the most significant surprise that you came across, something you just really kind of blew you away? >> i think the whole thing. k

his desk, as everyone knows it, as jefferson davis's desk. there was a young person, bill thomas's son who was a page, african-american. they always ask senators, do you want a drink of water, i said, sure. i said, by the way, i will give a speech and will finally get the vote to have the first african-american, on the fourth circuit court of appeals and i will give the speech on jefferson davis's desk. young mr. thomas said, that's really cool. [laughter] that is how the senate operates, slowly. they need to set priorities, they need to have the governor not only pass a budget, there needs to be a balanced budget. you set priorities. you can't say yes to everything. i think the states are going to be the way we repel the federal government to finally have a balanced budget. secondly, they need to get back to basics. it is awful. susan and i watch people -- when the government shutdown because the did not pass the budget, government workers, i am thinking, oh my goodness. in the real world, if you don't get your job done, you don't get paid.

in addition to the missouri man volunteers was the mississippi rifles led by jefferson davis future president of the confederate states of america and the texas rangers who were superb horsemen and ruthless. the american and mexican people vastly underrated the u. s. regulators who were arguably the best troops in the world at that time. it was true the enlisted ranks contained a large number of recent immigrants and men who had failed in civilian life. they did so with enlistment in pay. they were disciplined, hardened to living outdoors and well- equipped. the confidence in victory never failed. late in life ulysses s grant, a lieutenant during the mexican war invaded zachary taylor's little army, the best in which he had ever served. more than 50 civil war generals received a back is in and fire in the mexican war with over 30 battles and scrimmages skirmishes. from start to finish it was polk's war, from the white house president james polk oversaw every detail, commanding generals in the field they were often not consulted at all. polk's plan was to capture the mexican providence north o

he loved his colleagues and one of the colleagues he was close to was senator jefferson davis who hadot of health issues. he had malaria. there was a period when he sat by davis' bedside. i'm tending to him, cheering him on. then the civil war happen. he became his secretary of state. jefferson became president. i'd have to look that up but i kind of doubt that. it's a radical example. but also, let's hope and with reason that we are not in a similar situation now because that was slavery, the worst problems this country has ever had except maybe getting into england. everything else, a beak we can manage it, they were before the guns went off. >> they were beloved friends, very close friends. they agreed about nothing although he sent his opinions there. they loved each other. >> he took her hunting. >> we are different, we are work. everybody admired them. why don't we try to emulate them? >> if you saw somebody walking down here with make america great hack again, what would be your reaction? >> there was a woman by herself the other day, she was waving a flag and she had lgbt -- a

best of them in addition to donathan's missouri volunteers were the mississippi rifles led by jefferson davis. future president of the confederate states of america. and the texas rangers, were superb horse men and ruthless gorilla fighters. the american and mexican people vastly under rated the u.s. regulars who were arguably the best troops in the world at that time it was true the enlisted ranks contained a large number of recent immigrants and men who failed in civilian life. they served long enlistments at low pay. but the regulars were well drilled and disciplined. hardened to living outdoors and well equipped. their confidence in victory never -- no matter how out numbered they were. late in life, ulysses grant, a lieutenant during the mexican war, raided zachary taylor's little army the best in which he had ever served. 50 civil war generals received their baptism of fire in mexican wars more than 30 battles and squirmishes. from start to finish, it was polk's war though. from the white house, president james polk over saw every detail. the commanding generals in the field, scott and

one of my first books of steve's was jefferson davis as general. it was an area that did not have his name associated with it. i picked of volume that had a thomas connection, the chickamauga campaign. steve has co-edited many more than that. i asked him, i said have you continued to produce looks at the same level that you produce children, as he has a huge family. the absolute nicest people in the world, just a genuine figure for the civil war community in both his knowledge and personality. people love steve woodworth and there is a reason. he has added so much to our understanding of leadership and the war. there are times he and i can clash a little bit. he still thinks lee was up in pennsylvania for slave duty and i don't come up that we can agree to disagree. veryw that isn't fashionable in our world anymore but it's good to know we can do that. steve is one of the people that is a font of knowledge. today, he will tell us a little bit about ulysses grant. without further a deal, from texas christian university, let's welcome steve woodworth

. >> did jefferson davis tweet about him too?ould read the last ten days of jefferson davis, about how reran away pretty amazing he was no general lee. they were on the wrong side of history, just so you know. let's get that straight. >> thanks for clearing that up >> no problem. sun power up strong, just want to point that out quickly. >> guys, we're back to 2985. let's get to bob this morning. >> good morning, carl. happy thursday, everybody. it's a rough start to the month. history is not on our side, unfortunately, for the month of august let's run through what we've got here in terms of the situation august is the worst month for the dow and s&p going back to 1987 this is the stock traders alma knack. go back further, it's the second worst month. august and september, not a good setup historically up almost 20% this year, earnings essentially flat. we're pushing 18 multiple right now. that's historically priced yes, low interest rates help, but it's a tough setup we don't have a lot of clarity on global growth we don't have

jefferson davis was charged with treason and imprisoned here at fort monroe, a traitor to his countryand i believe it is no coincidence that in the same year that virginia and acted massive resistance -- virginia enacted massive resistance as official state policy, that arch went up in his honor. to have a monument glorifying a person who worked to maintain slavery, on the same site at which enslaved africans first arrived here and were later freed, is not just inappropriate. it is an offense -- it is offensive, and it is wrong. [cheers and applause] gov. northam: removing that monument is one way we can act to better tell the true story here in virginia, and i am pleased and proud to announce today another important step in how we represent the full and true story of our commonwealth. requested in the general assembly agreed to allocate $500,000 toward the first african landing memorial art project here at fort monroe. [applause] gov. northam: since that time, the fort monroe authority and the virginia commission for the arts, in partnership with the national park service, the fort m

in retrospect not for its opulence, but for the fact that many people present in people like jefferson davis, william seward, this is the last time they will be on friendly terms. this incredible party can everyone in washington is there. all these different costumes. they described as a stimulus for the costume makers and tailors of washington, d.c. sickles indisposed and he can't go. his wife shows up as little red riding hood. key shows up as an english huntsman and end up conspicuously leaving together. so in a situation where discretion was really called for, weeks after their close call, none could be found. people tried to warn key about the situation. at first key did not appear to said no, no, i have nothing but fatherly feeling torture. eventually he says, sickles is a damn yankee and is not going to do a damn thing about it or he says i prepared for any ugliness and the pats his coat to indicate where he's got his firearm. what his firearm was on the date of the murder will become a subject of a lot of contention, a lot of rumor and speculation. a major part of the trial. but he w

loved him but he gave up tons of territory pretty quickly in the atlanta campaign, he frustrated jefferson davis and that's why davis fired him on july 18 and replaced him with john bell hood one of the core commanders who talked about the need to counterattack and on july 20, 22nd and 28th to the offensive attack sherman, failed, lost 11,000 men and then reverted to relying on massive earthworks and a passive defense like johnston had a few days later. we will talk a little more as we go along about that. the terrain of the atlanta campaign is fascinating i don't know how many of you have visited the region, has anybody ? wonderful. i'm glad to see that. more than i anticipated. this map will show the general theater of operations that i like to divide the geography of the atlanta campaign to three primary zones. the firs zone goes from dalton georgia about 30 miles south of chattanooga, down to the river. if this pointer works i'll be utterly delighted. there we go, it kind of worked a little bit didn't seem to be working when it hits the slide >> the river is right here, right in the middle o

he frustrated jefferson davis. that's why davis fired him july 18th and replaced him with john bill hood, one of his core commanders, who talked big about the need to counter attack. and hood did on july 22nd, failed, lost 11,000 men and then reverted to relying on massive earth works and pretty passive defense like johnston had a few days later. how many of you have visited this region? has anybody? wonderful. i'm glad to see that. more than i anticipated. this map will show the general theater of operations. the first zone goes from dalton, georgia, a town 30 miles south of chattanooga, down to the etowah river. if this pointer works i'll be utterly delighted. there we go. it kind of worked a little bit. it doesn't seem to be working when it hits that slide, though. the etowah river is right here, right in the middle of the map. between the etowah and the dalton, charactered by high dominating ridges that are wonderful, defensive positions. you put a line on top of rocky face ridge it is unassailable. all sherman

much more terrified about the idea of andrew johnson as president than abraham lincoln and when jefferson davis is accused of plotting to kill abraham lincoln, he reminds people that would be insane because anybody that hears or listens to andrew johnson knows that would be a far worse situation for the south. andrew johnson has the worst debut of any vice president in history. he's completely hammered while being sworn in and getting his inaudible address. he's supposed to speak for 30 seconds maybe a minute at most and put his hands on the bible and be sworn in. instead it turns into a 17 minute drunken tirade which he criticizes every member of the cabinet and pauses when he can't remember the secretary of the navy. lincoln said is buried in his hands and chant anti-proceeds to smaller over the bible and is too drunk to swear in the new senators he asks and equivalent of the interim to do that and i'm not sure that legally you can do that so than in walks side-by-side with an outside right before lincoln gives arguably one of the best speeches of his career and points of frederick douglas ou

and the two perfect examples on the confederate side is jefferson davis and alexander stephens. tell them what they said in the spring of 1861, and then read of the passages between the late war between the states and the rise and fall of the confederate government. and it makes the case beautifully. peter: one of the other things you pointed to about coming to battlefields is the importance of military history. could you just speak about the place of military history within the field of academic history? gary: yes, i've grown sort of weary of this. peter: i can tell by your reaction. gary: there are a number of people who like to pretend that i'm this old-fashioned, operational military historian, and that i think that's all that's important about the civil war, which of course, is an infamous falsehood. i think that military history is important. i think if you're going to deal with the civil war, you have to come to grips with military history in a serious way. because the ways in which what happened on battlefields and with armies crossed over into everything else that was h

reason it does not is because, the country does not have the stomach for trials, treason trials, jefferson davisand is arrested for treason, he sits in island for a year, and he's let go. even though, confederate troops, had committed war crimes, by the definition of war crimes of the time. for example, flattering black soldiers who were surrendering, selling captured black soldiers into slavery, when robert e lee, marches into pennsylvania, even as he is scampering back to virginia having had half his army destroyed. he takes time to capture free blacks in pennsylvania and drag them back to the south and sell them as slaves. when he invaded maryland he did the same thing for free blacks in maryland remember maryland as a slave state but half the black people in maryland are free by the time of the war. so the south is committing, war crimes but we don't prosecute anybody, except captain works. or andersonville. in addition, there's the supreme court and what i wanted you, is give you a very quick supreme court history. i don't want to go into the details of cases, if anybody wants i am happy to

and the civil war what happened and seward became lincolns secretary of state, jefferson davis became the president of the confederacy . >> did they ever speak again? >> i don't think so after the war, i have to look that up . i kind of doubt it. it is, it's a radicalexample . let's not forget that there are such things . but, and let's also hope and i think with reason that we are not in a similar situation now because that was over slavery, that was over the worst problem this country has ever had except maybe independence from england,long-running fx we are still dealing with . everything else, maybe we can manage it as seward and davis were before the guns went off. >> we have a wonderful example, ginsburg and a story out, they were beloved friends, very close friends. >> opera fans. >> they agreed about nothing politically, obviously although scalia did address his opinions to ginsburg, they really loved each other. >> he took her hunting. >> he took elena kagan hunting. there's an opera about that called scalia ginsburg. and it's nice that people can do it, on the supreme court.