jeh? >> well, i have two things to add., people who win debates don't tend to win the elections. that's one. number two, i was involved in obama's campaign 12 years ago, and i remember at this point in the cycle, he was, what, 30 point hillary clinton? >> and everybody was like what's all that good fundraising? it doesn't seem to be translating in the polls. we didn't even get too your apples to apples. tell me what kind of apple picking you were able to do here. it was our favorite phrase of the day yesterday. thank you, buddy. >> right. so if you played the -- yeah, appreciate it. >> betsy, jeh, and bill, you are sticking around. >>> it's a pretty good day to have a former homeland security, one that's been confirmed here to talk about it. but first the white house wants to detain migrant children indefinitely. so what are democrats going to do heading into 2020? senator jeff merkley will join me live. me live. so, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. the united states postal service make

by the way, jeh johnson said this too, this is a deterrent. i was just on the border when i was in el paso during the aftermath of the massacre, the shooting, i crossed into juarez and i saw what now has become normal, which is a line of people about 50 people, waiting on the mexican side to ask for asylum to come into the united states. and i saw so many babies. i saw like a month old baby, i saw toddlers, i saw 4-year-olds and i very calmly went up to the people and i said hey, what's going on? they're asking for asylum. they're desperate. i said do you have any idea what's going on, on the other side with children? no. i said have you heard any stories about children being taken away from people on the other side? no, no. so this notion that people who are seeking refuge are like checking their iphones to see what policy donald trump has said and where it ends up in the courts and this is going to deter them, i'm sorry, it's a bunch of bs. it is not true. and none of them have taken the effort to go down to the border and look these people

this actually comes back with jeh johnson from the obama administration and jeh johnson, who i interviewed he considered this a humanitarian -- a humanitarian turn. look where we're ending up now. it is this administration's that's going to say hey, you guys led to this, which is why hello, joe biden, are hello, you need to assume responsibility and all of us do, for the fact this has been created under our watch. >> donna, i want to ask you this, things move so fast we forget that not that long ago, i believe it was one of the congresswoman who are part of the squad, possibly aoc, who created controversy and certainly raised the hackels of people in the trump administration when she said these are concentration camps. people are looking back at the actual definition of what a concentration camp is. there are arguments about that. when you start talking about permanent detention facilities for minorities in any exant country, it's like in the textbook definition of a concentration camp is. is this -- a, is that not right, or am i nuts? b, as much crucialty as we see on behalf of this admin

brian: by the way, jeh johnson, used to work for the obama administration.is was going to turn out this way. so this is not a democrat-republican issue. is it? >> brian, that's absolutely right. and there is another congresswoman had you on a few minutes ago who said this is a new concept or a new rule. it's not. this was actually -- the family residential centers that we are talking about where these individuals are going to be held, families high level of care, families together. that was create created in 2015 under the obama administration. so it's just a false narrative. steve: before you go, give us an update. you know, we knowed when president suggested there could be tariffs on mexico, unless they cracked down, and then they started to crack down and the numbers went down, how many people are still streaming across our southern border? >> the numbers are drastically gone down. from may to july, 43%. this month we are seeing another right now 20% reduction. >> wow. steve: for a total of how many, mark? >> so right now, july the numbers went down to 80

secretary mcaleenan: we have done this before in 2014 and 2015 under jeh johnson. residential centers were established in these proceedings were implemented. the average stay was under 50 days for completion of proceedings. released over 130,000 family units since march. detain allpared to of these family units starting tomorrow? or will more bed space have to be cleared? secretary mcaleenan: we will not be detaining every family unit. what the regulation implementation does, and it will not be effective for 60 days from publishing. us to keep families together through the proceedings, we have three family residential centers and 3000 total beds in the centers. that is going to allow us to bring families in, anish immigration proceedings as a multilayered strategy. we are working with central america, and metro. we have the migrant protection protocols which can be used to help families waiting in mexico. do ishis will substantially increase our ability to end the catch and release challenges that have fueled this crisis. you said that eliminating the incentives is

. >> melissa: i would ask you -- jeh johnson came out talking about the flores agreement before, capri. democrats are saying this is the trump administration -- i think it was mazie hirono saying that every day they are thinking of new ways to torture people. new cruel things to do to immigrants. here's what jeh johnson said. >> expanded family detention and rented to the issue of the florez agreement. i disagreed with the ruling, because i think our border patrol and immigration enforcement people need those tools available to deal with situations like this. >> melissa: so i've democrats change their mind on this policy? >> capri: here's what i think is happening right now --dash i think human beings are suffering because everyone is pointing fingers and playing politics. if you look at north carolina, where you have a democratic governor saying the legislation is a play to the republican base, and you have the republican sang the democratic veto is pandering to the far left base, it's one small example of a much larger problem we are seeing. i have said this before and we will say it

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jeh johnson, who i believe was homeland security secretary -- >> i'm talking ethics.on here. when you have children involved in the equation, you have to be extremely sensitive. katie: promoting human traffickers and smugglers is not ethical either. brian: no -- instrument of separation. steve: as i said. geraldo has strong feelings about it. >> get the these countries together, have a summit meeting. spell out of responsibilities in no uncertain terms. steve: should get congress together to change the law. they won't do that. geraldo, because you are a veteran of "dancing with the stars," thought we would ask you about sean spicer's reaction he got when it was announced he was going to be on "dancing with the stars." host tom bergeron said in a note on social media he was under the impression there would be no divisive bookings, taking a slap at mr. spicer. what do you think about this? >> i liked tom bergeron for my time on the program. he was generous to spirit to me, very inclusive. i am surprised that he has gotten into this fray over sean spicer. let sean spicer

former secretary jeh johnson said a bad day for him was 1,000. i know because i worked for him.s. >> congressman, do you think there's still a crisis at the border? >> well, let me say that the crisis is not at the processing plants. those individuals are going to work. they were not trying to hide. i will not say that they've not broken the law. but if i look at who they are, trying to take care of their families. they've integrated themselves into the community, doing the things that they really want to do, seeking economic independence. they're not murderers, robbers, rapists that many people in this administration want you to believe. they have significant sympathy for those individuals. they're not deadbeats. they're not standing on the corner. they're doing a lot of work that those companies can't hire people to do. we need to find a solution. let me tell you, 600 people to arrest 680 people, all of whom were at work. not a single owner of a company has been picked up on anything. so these individuals go to work. all the records of them are there in the offices of those co

here is obama's homeland security secretary jeh johnson. >> we ran into the issue of the flores case.trol and immigration enforcement people need those tools to deal with situations like this. liz: president trump says this in 2007 about migrants affecting u.s. jobs. >> i believe there are circumstances where in fact illegal immigrants are driving down wages. the question is how do we fix it. liz: sheriff, your reaction? >> trump is trying to lead from the front and he's trying to expand that where they can keep families together, but there is not a catch and release. we'll disincentivize those families from coming across. liz: to the i.c.e. raid in mississippi. court documents show evidence these employers knew they were hiring illegal workers. they were wearing government-issues gps ankle bracelets and using social security numbers of dead people. i want to get to this story. officials in the blue state of virginia pushing back on a plan, a health and human services plan that would build a shelter for unaccompanied minors in the state of virginia. politicians are worried about commu

i was really struck with the strong words of jeh johnson who was obama's secretary.aining traction over candidates such as castro and warren, he said it's basically telling the world we have open borders. now, that is a really stunning statement, from other democrat, about some policies that the democrats are espousing. and we know president trump, immigration has been his fixation. his biggest focus issue. and clearly for republicans, the more the democrats talk about decriminalizing, the happier president trump and the campaign and the rnc is going to be. >> let's talk about another issue that keeps coming up. particularly for vice president -- former vice president biden and that's health care. how do democrats sell this idea of medicare for all. if there is skepticism about the government. do people not sit back sometimes, as some say, why would i entrust my health care to this organization that i distrust. to handle some of the other things. >> i think that's a great question. those questions is what really republicans are hoping on to make the idea of a single

. >> laura: jeh johnson former obama press secretary was on msnbc and he said you've got to be very carefulnalize thoughts. you can't criminalize thought connected to action that is criminal but you can't -- even extremist groups cannot do that. he was sounding the alarm and chuck todd didn't know what to do with that. are you concerned? you are also a civil libertarian, are you concerned about criminalizing thought? >> i don't think we should do what you are worried about which is name entire groups if they are extremist domestic terrorists. we should take a page from what we have done from what to stopt efforts to stop domestic terrorism, not just people are saying but what they are doing. you have the el paso shooter whose mother is calling the police because she is concerned, and a case like that everyone adds up to a person posing a risk to mother to be something authorities can do. >> laura: is there a crime, a red flag law, any federal law, would that have stopped him? >> there already laws on the books since those shootings, there have been almost 30 people arrested for threats of m

this will absolutely eliminate at least part of the border crisis but you rewind one year ago when jehohnson, obama's dhs secretary made the point that flores is an issue. it's a loophole that has to be close. i want to address the media, indefinite period of time, supreme court ruling, 2001, 180 days is the longest period of time. they are talking about 50 to 60 days that they need to properly process the migrants. >> juan: what we have on the table should be how do we properly process and deal with the fact that we have on the books asylum laws and we want to hold to the law. greg talks about let's do everything by the books, by the law. the president has no idea. >> greg: so you are for illegal immigration. >> juan: no one is against the law, crossing the border. another major point of contention on the campaign trail is the green new deal. bernie sanders giving trump plenty of new ammo by rolling his own plan out. he somehow says it's going to pay for itself. >> greg: i don't think 16 trillion is nearly enough. what this is, i see you a trillion and raise you a trillion. the thing

jeh johnson, who was president obama's last secretary of homeland security, said that this amounts to virtually open borders. and indeed it does. this is one of the big, big vulnerabilities that they have. otherwise, the president just kind of hit his greatest hits tonight. you played the biggest applause line which is "i'm the president of the united states, not the president of the world." >> jason: i think he drives home a really big point, and i think we're going to continue to hear that time and time again. but i've never, ever seen a national party thrive nationally who goes after law enforcement, border patrol, i.c.e. agents. how is that a winning formula come november of 2020? >> when you say "go after," i want to talk -- >> jason: disparage them, talk about how they're running concentration camps. you don't see them patting them on the back, i tell you that. >> here's the thing. if you're going to show pictures of people with wire around them and laying on cement floors -- >> jason: do you mean those pictures from the obama administration, you mean those ones? >> no, the ones

secretary, another former member of the obama administration, the former homeland security, secretary jeh johns johnson, a man you know well, has said that the policy you proposed would be tantamount to a policy that borders would be open to all, end quote. would your policy incentivize migrants to cross into the united states illegally? >> i think upon future reflection that secretary johnson, whom i respect a lot, will recognize that that was very mellow dramatic and incorrect. that's a lot of hyperbole. i think one day he'll walk that back. so let's just look at what's happened to the trump administration. actually, more people have come to the border in the last couple of months when donald trump took office. so his cruelty, his family separation, his putting these little children on the floor with mylar blankets and not giving them enough to eat and not giving them soap and toothbrushes, not giving these adults enough to eat in these detention centers, that hasn't deterred more people from coming. if we want to deter people from coming, we should follow my plan, which is to do a 21st

the remember former secretary jeh johnson said a bad day for him was a thousand and i worked for him as chief of border patrol. so this is still crisis level. and here is a key point. it is not just the numbers, it is the demographics. things have changed. these are families and ub unaccompanied miners. that adds to the kries. it is not just -- >> i want to ask a follow up on that. because almost 30,000 undocumented immigrants have been sent back to mexico to wait for the immigration hearings part of the new deal with the mexican government but they are being sent to dangerous cities, tijuana and the human group rights said there were reports of campaign and kidnapping against asylum-seekers waiting in mexico. that is likely just the tip of the iceberg, are you worried that this process is resulting in sending people back over the border into mexico into dangerous cities, basically sending them to their doom? >> i disagree with that categorization that we're sending anybody to their doom. for any country, the safety and security of the citizens for any country is a challenge. look at

jeh johnson politics editor of the root. bret stephens an op-ed columnist at "the new york times." thank you all for joining us. there is a jekyll and hyde aspect to this. but clearly, what is credible, yamiche, is trump on tweet. when he tweets out, what great word, tweet, at 6:30 in the morning when most people are still asleep. that's trump. this guy reading a teleprompter, i love it, in the diplomatic room. in other words, the room where you have to be diplomatic. your thoughts. who is the real guy? >> i'll say this. the great toni morrison who died today said if you can only be tall if someone else is on their niece, you have a serious problem. there are people all ray aye cross this country people who think this president has a serious problem which is he wants to demonize other people. he wants to make immigrants as scapegoats. i just came back from dayton on the, ohio where people are pointing to his rhetoric not only is he creating divisions in our own community, his inaction in gun reform and in passing gun legislation, he is creating the societies and creating this atmos

>> it's everything from cybersecurity, which includes -- listen, previously jeh johnson, the previoushe department of homeland security, designated our elections infrastructure as critical infrastructure of the united states. as critical as our electrical grids, as critical as our financial, right. and it has been attacked. so that's one of the greatest threats to us. but cybersecurity broadly speaking. i've been working on this since i was attorney general of california, where i led the second largest department of justice in the united states. we have got to do a better job of securing our infrastructure as it relates to our power grids, as it relates to our -- what is going on in terms of our medical systems, our financial systems. we're very vulnerable to cyber threats. >> let's talk about health care. >> okay. >> there is some confusion about where you are on health care, whether it's -- a lot of it has to do the slogan. medicare for all over here, enhanced obamacare over there. you want to do a new system over a ten-year period. >> yes. >> there's a lot of people who have said,

that caused jeh johnson, homeland security department, take action, we'll keep the families together,arance. most of which never showed up. so they're in our interior. this administration came. said, maybe as deterrent we'll separate families. that was a disaster. now theyaid, let's go overturn flores, keep the families together. 45 days, find out if they're worthy of asylum. if they hit all the criteria for asylum which is on the books. or find out if they can stay or go but do it all at once. ainsley: the majority of these families not showing up for court date. this budget year, 475,000 families crossed the border. three times the previous year.ç steve: catch-and-release is one of the loopholes the president asked congress to close, to change the laws. they have not acted. that is why the the administration is doing this the acting cpb commissioner mark morgan which brian mentioned a moment ago, said this new regulation will actually help families. listen. >> the new flores regulation not only does it meet the flores settlement agreement parameters it, actually exceeds them for th

president obama's homeland security secretary jeh johnson, whom you served with says that is a public declaration that the border is, quote, effectively open to all. how is he wrong? >> thank you for that question. you know, if you elect me president, you're not electing me to follow. you're electing me to lead. and open borders is a right wing talking point. and frankly, i'm disappointed that some folks, including some folks on this stage have taken the bait. the only way that we're going to guarantee that we don't have family separations in this country again is to repeal section 1325 of the immigration nationality act that is the law that this president, this administration is using to incarcerate migrant parents and physically separate them from their children. my immigration plan would also make sure that we put undocumented immigrants who haven't committed a serious crime on a pathway to citizenship, that we do a 20% marshall plan with honduras and guatemala so people can find safety and opportunity at home instead of coming to the united states. that's how we can be smarter, mo

in 2014, 15, and 16 when the family residential centers were actually created under then secretary jehfamilies were held together never to be heard from again. we saw the numbers drastically go down. because you were moving that incentive. right now, that incentive is so incredibly strong, you know your grabbing a kid and keeping them together, going through immigration and when those claims are found to be meritless, removing it back and that's going to get to them and it's going to remove that incentive. >> sandra: you immediately heard democratic opposition to this, nancy pelosi immediately responded was saying this an administration seeking truth codify child abuse, plain and simple. >> it is just not true. we just heard a story recently had conducted over 4,000 rescues, that's of people trying to enter illegally into the country, thousands of dollars to the cartels and smugglers who don't care a thing about them, taking advantage of these individuals because of the loopholes in our system and that's what we need to stop. we need to deincentivize that and stop risking our lives to

brian: interesting making it worse or just more people coming across that nobody can handle and we had jehy. you have over 100,000 people coming across our border. over 300,000 in the rio grande sector alone. can any president handle that? >> absolutely not. and the policies that the left are proposing would be a magnet to attract more illegal immigration. and, you know, look, open borders is not just a republican talking point. it's a fact. if you cross the border illegally, and you don't qualify for asylum, you are not just committing a crime, but you are clogging up the system for refugees that really do need to be in this country for their own safety. brian: okay. i want your top three winners and losers. first off joe, top three winners? >> if you are talking about what happened last night core booker the happy warrior returns. tulsi gabbard the most searched person across america. and realistically the last winner is president trump. while democrats are out here this week trying to talk about all manner of nonsense, joe biden hung a bell around their necks talking about how much heal

president obama's homeland security secretary, jeh johnson, whom you served with, says that is a publicration that the border is "effectively open to all." how is he wrong? sec. castro: thank you for that question. you know, if you elect me president, you're not electing me to follow. you're electing me to lead. and open borders is a right-wing talking point, and frankly i'm disappointed that some folks, including some folks on this stage, have taken the bait. the only way that we're going to guarantee that we don't have family separations in this country again is to repeal section 1325 of the immigration nationality act. that is the law that this president, this administration is using to incarcerate migrant parents and then physically separate them from their children. my immigration plan would also make sure that we put undocumented immigrants who haven't committed a serious crime on a pathway to citizenship, that we do a 21st century marshall plan with honduras, el salvador, and guatemala, so that we can get to the root of this challenge so people can find safety and opportunity at