phil mudd is back with us. as we said he's the former director of the national counterterrorism center. in his new book "black site" phil mudd describes the many changes that agency faces and we quote, "after a half-century of chasing the traditional targets of the post world war ii, the agency now hunted an adversary that had no government sponsor, no clear lines of control or organization chart, no well-defined capital or geographical center, a hazy chain of command and equally fuzzy linkages to affiliated groups across the globe." phil, i don't think it will give too much away to tell the audience you begin with a fire in an elevator shaft at cia, a tiny event in the scope of things. but that suffices for a kind of, you know, wake-up call. that was the wake-up call before 9/11. 9/11 arrives, you warn the readers to remember kind of you had to be there, you had to be in the moment. that gets us to black sites. describe what they are to viewership of lay people. did they suit their purpose or did they go overb

waselcome phil mudd, who the deputy director of the fbi. served as the former deputy director of the cia national terrorism center. he is also the author of a new book. phil mudd, welcome. better u.s. gotten any in detecting and combating sorts of crimes? think it gotten better. if you look at the amount of time over the last couple of years that we deal with security breaches, no question that not only have they improved but they have had a relationship with the states. that said, there are some pieces that we are well short of. confronting vladimir putin. there are other pieces. the americank to people going into the election and say we are worried? there is only one person that president., the the president will not mourn the american people. the boring part about this, government is tough. who is going to sit everyone around the table and say, fbi, homeland president. the president will not mourn the american people. security, you have to work together, report to me once a month to make sure this doesn't happen again. the president will

he is now the present of mudd management. the company specializes in consulting analytic training public speaking about security issues. he's a senior fellow at the new america foundation and the george washington university homeland security policy institute and serves as senior global adviser to oxford analytica a british-based firm specializing in advising multinational companies. he sits on the advisory board for the national counterterrorism center and for the director of national intelligence and deserves on the aspen institute, and security groupie ladies and gentlemen please welcome philip mudd to the national archives. [applause] >> you missed the most important part of that which i lived part time in memphis tennessee the bluff city. thank you. i was running in midtown memphis which is and historic part of memphis it must be three or four years ago wondering whether to write another book and reflecting on some of what i witnessed at the cia particularly during that excruciating time after 9/11 and realizing some of

i want to bring back phil mudd and josh campbell. phil, you hear that kind of information, what do you think? >> parkland. red flags. that is, when public authorities see red-flag information, in this instance, withdrawing somebody from school, you remember parkland, there was red flag after red flag. the president has talked about advising us tomorrow morning about what he's going to do. one of the conversations we need to have nationally is not only do we have a program to train people on red flags, that's fine, but what kind of cover do we give to jurisdictions for taking a weapon away from someone in advance of them committing a crime? red flag here, red flags in parkland. i think that's a discussion we need to have. >> let me get josh to weigh in. what do you think, josh? >> yeah, wolf, i think, you know, there's this phrase that we've used before in covering shootings and that is this law enforcement term called an injustice collector. this is someone, a subject who feels grievances that collects them over time and then eventua

and then erica is going to talk to him what's going on at dayton is counter terrorism analyst phil mudd. i want to talk about a few things. one, i don't know if you had a chance to see that picture, people scrambling at times square and this is happening in malls also. this is what happens when americans see month after month their countryman being gunned down. it's a reasonable fear, wouldn't you say. >> it's a reasonable fear but it's going to be echoed. people today talking about going to a super store, walking around the street, talking about going to a synagogue or church are going to take what they see in a state or three states away and say that could happen in my neighborhood. regardless of what the statistics tell you it's hikely you're going to be hurt shopping or going into a synagogue or church. every human being looking at this will say my life is going to change. >> this happens everywhere. this can happen everywhere and it is happening. i'm bending down to read you something. i'm going to read you a bit more what tucker carlson said. i don't want to give it too much crede

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. >>> let's talk with cnn counterterrorism analyst phil mudd as a former cia counterterrorism official. phil, good morning. >> good morning. >> let's start here. that was five days. from a tweet on sunday to a tweet then on friday morning, or afternoon. in the context of the position, first, what do you make of this turbulence around ratcliff as the nominee as director of national intelligence? >> i think there's one simple question you that got to ask, especially as you go into an election season, there will be questions about an intelligence community and what they say about russian interference. the intelligence community is supposed to speak independently. if the president says there's no interference and the president says otherwise, the intel guys have to speak up. when you look what the ratcliff said, people in the intelligence business are immediately going to say if he ever gets nominated and confirmed, is he going to represent the president's view or the view of the intelligence? that's what got dan coats on the side with the president, he's a respected republican, but the pr

mudd about even by several corruption smells sweet in montana. the greatest issue confronting us is whether the corporation shall control of people or the people shall control corporations. fast-forward 100 years and that is what has happened. the greatest we never were regular folks pass this thing called the current practice act of 1912 that said, you know what, we are equal on one day, and that is election day, and our voice is stronger than any damn corporation. we need to do it all across this country if we are ever going to get this democracy back. >> [inaudible] gov. bullock: the question was how do you address the shortage of mental health professionals and lack of mental health access in our state? it is something that i was struggling with every day. i knew when i got medicaid expanded, i knew i had not only saved rural hospitals that provide opportunities for the hundred thousand folks who get their health care through medicaid. 30,000 dot mental health treatment availability as well. this was in montana, and then we will take it bigge

as we await the president's address to the nation, i want to bring in phil mudd, counter-terrorism analyst. governor kasich, i want to ask you, we will hear from the president in two hours. he is the president of the united states. what could he say this morning that could make a difference? >> i'm going to bring a group together and we're going to get on top of this. things that will include red flag law, all across america and institute this, where somebody is not stable you have an ability to take their guns. we're going to have comprehensive and complete background checks. we're going to look at other issues including multiple ammunition clips. but you bring everybody together. you say i'm going to be in charge of this. we'll come out with model legislation. there will be democrats, law enforcement, community activists, people of all types that will be there, and we will hammer something out. we will not leave that room until we have unanimity. we'll leave that room, go to the rose garden, make an announcement and this will be the model for america. that would be the best thing. no mor

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mudd has a problem. the president indicated that he didn't do the vetting process because clearly what happened is people on the hill after the process, after the person was announced came to the president and said, not so much. the way this game works is the president any president typically doesn't tell a nominee to withdraw because it's embarrassing. what the president said today is what every president does, wink, wink, this will be really tough. if you want, i'll allow you to withdraw the nomination saying get out. this will be ugly. sees the position of reporters and national intelligence. he's not hiding the fact he wants people devoted and you seem to be depending the above and beyond around and. a reason to put this a guy in this incredibly important position. >> the president's playing checkers. he's not playing chess. he set up the next nominee. what's the first question for anybody on the committee, for whoever shows up john doe, jane doe, the president said this in front of reporters about h

joining me now is counter-terrorism analyst phil mudd. just off the top, what is your take on this?do you remember the election campaign when the president -- remember, it wasn't that long ago when we spent a lot of time talking about isis. the president was talking about how he would eliminate isis. a good talking point for a president partly because if you contrast it to the white supremacy problem in the united states, isis is people overseas, the other people that we don't want in this country, so he could link that to some of his immigration commentary. in the face of that when you have a new team come in office that may not be that familiar with how to understand intelligence and terrorism reporting, you have officials in government come at you and say, isis is fine but the people we need to spend more resources on not only aren't isis, they're white people in this country. boy, that's a tough pill to swallow if you're new to the white house and you just got elected to the white house saying you're going to beat people overseas. >> you're saying it's that simple? >> it's not t

i want to bring in phil mudd author of the new book called "black sight, the cia in the post 9/11 worldhis guy is a suspect but putting rice cookers on a sb sbai -- on a subway mez anine is -- >> they're still hunting him. easier to say he's a person of interest. we requested him and now he's a suspect and to step it back and say we think he's a suspect, we ought to charge him and then say, actually, we were wrong fro the outset. they're hunting him and will find him and don't see a difference between person of interest and suspect. >> and as of now they investigating this as a hoax. >> the investigators have a lot of experience in devices like this. they have seen them in new york city, pressure devices as recently as a couple of years ago in chelsea in new york city. i suspect the bock teches have looked at the device and said it won't explode. that is not to say the individual won't be charged. that is to say we looked at advice and if he tried to explode it that wouldn't happen and that is a hoax and also potentially a federal charge. >> and obviously the two anti-terrorist officers

i want to bring in phil mudd to talk about this. from dayton police that stood out to you? >> yeah. a couple of things. we just saw a moment ago. the confirmation on whether this is solo and first is not about what happened, it is an open investigation. you look at the video and nobody there. you have to get confirmation that it doesn't look like anybody operated with him. the second thing i would say is it gives you a little bit of a picture of intent. hardest thing to get with a dead perpetrator. he didn't go in there accidentally, he's casing the places. i want to see things like credit card records to know how often he was in before. but it is hard to look at that. especially since he was speaking with his sister and not think this was intentional. >> and so it is about a week and a half since this horrific mass shooting. and police are still not offering any motive. they have a minute by minute account of his whereabouts that night. is it possible we'll never really know the motive? >> yeah. but think of this as a layer cake. w

that means she was nudged out and unhappy. >> phil mudd, thank you so much.ate it. >>> democratic presidential candidates using two words to describe president trump. but could those two words help re-elect him? that's next. cares? another foodie trin 211 people. thanks, captain obvious. don't hate-like their trip, book yours with hotels.com and get rewarded basically everywhere. that fish is done, carol. hotels.com. be there. do that. get rewarded. at t-mobile, for $40/line for four lines, it's all included for the whole family. like unlimited with netflix on us. and now with each new line, get one of our latest smartphones included. $40/line for four lines and smartphones are included for the whole family. so bob, what do you take for back pain? before i take anything, i apply topical pain relievers first. salonpas lidocaine patch blocks pain receptors for effective, non-addictive relief. salonpas lidocaine. patch, roll-on or cream. hisamitsu. car vending machines and buying a car 100% online.vented now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car

phil mudd, let me get your take right off the bat here.paso suspect telling police in el paso that he was targeting mexicans. your response to that? >> this is a big step to me. aside from the fact that this is confirming to us that he's speaking, this is stepping, taking a step from what we thought before, that this was an act of domestic terrorism to confirming that. look, if you kill a family member, if you kill your boss for firing you, that's straight-up murder. when you're killing immigrants because you want to return to a white america and persuade immigrants to leave, that's murder with a political intent, in this country we call that terrorism, domestic terrorism. we thought that a few days ago. the fact that he's speaking about his motivation is confirming to us that what we thought is in fact true. >> and david chalian out there in iowa, this moment we've been through this past week, this has really unified democrats in ways that we haven't seen much of during this campaign. >> reporter: yeah, no, there's no doubt about that. we

regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr goh i don't know mr mudd do or do you think bin is all i can continue relying on a planned economy going forward with. the plan for the. end to the quarter in 2012 was a good week call. for the homeless in. many issues daughter corey for work or tree i believe the we need the base in go than to show for our people there. again. i believe we need to do it all or we're programs and go then to get a copy of the situation mr america we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned. for. the answer did. happen. entry swung as i didn't hit him i never saw any contact with. any kind of went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again 15 feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and he did it on 3. i wouldn't make this manufacture consent instantly of public wealth. when the roman closest project themselves. with the famous merry go round lifts only the one post that. we can all middle of the room signals. from the real news room. welcome to max ge

mudd about even by several corruption smells sweet in montana.he greatest issue confronting us is whether the corporation shall control of people or the people shall control corporations. fast-forward 100 years and that is what has happened. the greatest we never were regular folks pass this thing called the current practice act of 1912 that said, you know what, we are equal on one day, and that is election day, and our voice is stronger than any damn corporation. thised to do it all across country if we are ever going to get this democracy back. gov. bullock: the question was how do you address the shortage of mental health professionals and lack of mental health access in our state? it is something that i was struggling with every day. i knew when i got medicaid expanded, i knew i had not only saved rural hospitals that provide opportunities for the folks who get their health care throughthousand medicaid. 30,000 dot mental health treatment availability as well. this was in montana, and then we will take it bigger -- we started a program to add

we got from a professor the director of global health programs at mcgill university here is what dr mudd the hard part i told the string. reciprocity is very important for global we send lots of students and faculty members from high income countries to low income countries but many want to meet us approach and invite experts from countries least face severe problems many of the 10 really struggled with getting these us to come to the us canada and u.k. which makes it impossible for us to learn from people who really understand what the problems and solutions are i really don't think will help our science in general connect violence when rich countries deny. the ability for scientists to travel freely across countries and for is rich exchange of knowledge and information that is absolutely critical for our feed so jennifer you heard his take for you what are the knock on effects of this. well i was leaving innovation requires interaction amongst people and sharing of idealism building teams and combining different points of view as that progress from the girl just said and it's useful to

phil mudd used to work in the intelligence community.t the president said today when he was meeting with reporters about the vetting process that is under way. >> the vetting process for the white house is very good, but you're part of the vetting process, you know? i give out a name to the press and they vet for me. we save a lot of money that way. >> what? >> is that what tpresidents do? >> you would think there's some huge iceberg of vetting you got to have here below the service. you look at somebody's financial records, what they did with their college year book, that they paid their nanny. the president has an interface with coming, hey, joe, hey, mary, count heads on the oversight committee and figure out if they're going to vote for our nominee or not. i think he tweeted before he ever asked his guys are we going to vote for the guy or not? >> he says his vetting process, the president said pretty good. but take a look at some of the failed candidates who have come out there and very quickly after their names are out there as pot

james galliano, james ramsey and phil mudd.he fact that the fbi is talking about this as domestic terrorism in el paso, does that change the way the investigation is handled? >> great question. there's two ways of looking at this, jttf. >> joint terrorism task force. >> then the civil rights division will look at this concurrently as a hate crime. now, fbi director wray has recently testified. we have about 5,000 open fbi terrorism cases. 4,000 are international terrorism. about 900 are domestic terrorism. what do we mean by domestic terrorism? one, racially motivated, two anti-authority is, anti-government, three animal rights or environmentalists and four anti-abortion. this looks like homegrown violent extremism, white supremacy. in the april the director testified in front of congress and these were the two words he used, persistent and pervasive regarding the threat. people suggest maybe this is just anecdotal. but this is a persistent and pervasive threat and the fbi is taking it seriously. >> and drew mccabe was saying w

also joining us analyst phil mudd. i'm wondering -- there's a lot we do not know about the dayton shooterthere's a lot of conflicting reports about his motivation. he called himself a leftist. there were things he had tweeted out or forwarded or retweeted, i should say. when we look at the situation in dayton, when we look at this, what stands out to you? i think a lot of people think these people snap and just go and do this. in your study, it really shows the amount of time shooters put into these attacks. >> they do, absolutely, anderson. it takes time for them to decide. they could move on a pathway to violence and a quick pattern but more likely it's a lot slower they get an idea, they decide they have a grievances are whether it's real or perceived and then they build on that grievance. and sometimes they may have a grievance that they don't really have a good cause for. so they're angry at their boss, right? >> authorities sometimes call them grievance collectors. >> exactly. grievance collectors who look for --

high clouds and sunshine and mudd 70s.k at the 7:00 temperature, 70 degreesment isn't that almost perfect. in the south bay, low clouds and 65 through 11:00. hanging out in the 80s this afternoon, a lot of mid 80s and then down to 78 at 7:00. we'll take a look at the accuweather seven-day forecast. we've got a little bit of everything in it, except for rain. we don't get that this time of year. bringing in jobina, doing a great job. >> thanks, mike. i wish i had better news for everyone on the roadways. we are following three rollovers. take a look at this. first to oakland. we're following a sig alert there, rv against a car, two cars involved there. the rv flipped over and the upper portion is totally destroyed. caltrans has been called out to bring up that area. all lanes are blocked up and backed up to cemetery. in castro valley, a semi on its side blocking all lanes. the good news is this is the countercommute direction. that's 580 before southbound 238. if we go to the south bay here, 101 northbound, oakland road, tw

you know phil mudd. he's the author of "black site."rector of the counterterrorism center. phil, a lot has been written about the world and detainees, why did you think it was important to write this particular story? >> this is a slice of history and american history that was so tense and so significance, that is, the cia's choice to build its own prisons and interrogate their polirisoners. i knew that america needs a slice of that history standing in the shies of cia officers who decided to go down that path. i figured if some of them were going to speak, they'll speak to me, almost everybody i interviewed i'm going to tell their stories for them. i sat down one day, introduced 35 plus and wrote the book. >> you fill in the gap between what happened between 9/11 and gitmo. and you tell the story of how we interrogated these detainees. it remains clear here there was a blank slate as to what the protocol was. >> there's two floss jphilosopi. with the secretary of state donald rumsfeld saiding why can't we get there that fast. the downs

i want to bring in phil mudd, a former counterterrorism official as well as an intelligence advisor overso shimon prokupecz. shimon, let's talk about motive right now. based on the writings, what do we know about this shooter in el paso? >> that's what we really know, there are writings. in terms of the el paso shooter, there is the manifest, of course. and because of that, they believe, that's why officials there have said we have enough evidence to say at least at this point we're investigating this as a hate crime. and so as a result of that, they have gone through these writings. they believe that they are linked to him. obviously these writings, when you see them and read through them, there's just no other way to explain it but that it's just hate. it's full of hate. >> that's the shooter in el paso. >> in el paso. >> what about the shooter in dayton? >> dayton is interesting. they also have writings in there. when authorities went to do the sev search warrant at his home, they did find writings. what they're explaining to us is that these writings are -- he talks about violence, w

. >> joining me now, juliette kayyem and philip mudd. good evening to both of you.hil, police in springfield say the man who entered a walmart was wearing body armor and carrying tactical weapons. give me your reaction to this story. what do you think? >> well, i think the conversation nationally about how you have red flags i think is critical. the question i'd have in this case is, who is the individual and did he order those things when federal officers knew that perhaps there was something in his background that indicated -- this also relates to background checks -- that indicated that there was a reason they should be concerned about him. any time i see one of these, don, my first question is, was there an indicator that would have helped federal or local officers to stop this kind of thing, and should there be a law that says if someone has an issue in their background that would -- that should prevent them from acquiring things like gear that -- that is tactically related to preventing a bullet from hitting you or gear that relates to an automatic weapon, sho

mudd 60s along the coast with the chance of showers and thunderstorms closer to eureka and monterey. 75 to 82 around san diego and los angeles with sunshine. 70s in the high country, 71, blussterry. kind of cool in tahoe. 65. a touch of autumn. we'll be as warm as 74 on sunday. kumasi. >>> back to this breaking news we're following. it is a large warehouse fire burning at east 11th and 25th avenue in oakland. you can see on this map where it's located >> the large plume of smoke growing larger. sky 7 arriving overhead and giving us a closer look at what is going on here. as frances has been noting, this is visible for drivers on 880, likely to cause a slowdown. as we're zooming in, you can clearly see how much smoke there is there and also ladders and firefighters are definitely on scene trying to put w frances mentioning that 580 may be a better option as drivers slow down to take a look at what's going on here. this is a third alarm fire which indicates the level of firefighting presence, the units that are responding to the scene right now. abc 7 news reporter liz kreutz is on the

phil mudd is with us. let me ask you about the sister. could this end up being very significant, her role in this? >> absolutely it's just not a coincidence. it defies logic to believe that one of the ten dead would happen to be his sister. something happened. i just want to make it clear that you know he had a choice if he wanted to kill his sister. this was an issue of family violence or sexism or rage against women. this was a choice to make a public statement. so as someone who has been through these cases before, what i'm looking for in terms of motivation is what was that public statement? that's when it becomes relevant. who is the boyfriend? what kind of club was this? why eight of the ten other victims were african-american. so i've got lots of questions around his motivation and the sister. this was not just family violence. he wanted to make a point very, very quickly. >> he certainly did. as you point out, there is a lot that can indicate that this was a hate crime and domestic terror much like we saw in el paso. we are learni

so i remember 1979, roger mudd, one of the greatest reporters ever in television, asked ted kennedy,active candidate, why do you want to be president? he didn't have the answer. and that's the biden question. >> that is the biden question, and i think that he wants to be president because he thinks that he's electable. i think he wants to be president for the same reason that dr. jill biden came out and said sometimes you got to swallow a pill. >> did she say that? >> she said it and i didn't understand why. >> thank you very much. you're so tough but so smart. thank you danielle moodie-mills and thank you, steve kornacki. i love this sort of chat. i love you at the board, too. i love this chat. >>> up next, the once crowded field of 2020 democratic candidates is slowly narrowing. it's like an agatha christie play. down to about ten. the third debate lineup now set. is there still a path forward for those who didn't make the top ten or the cut, i should say. we're going to talk to one of the guys who didn't make the cut who still has a voice. more "hardball" after this. oh, don't wor