so that it was luxury. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: the glossy feel. >> yes >> jimmy: saran wrap and then whatat i was obsessed with, that i would just stay up all night curating and then when people would come over, i'd be like, "do you want to look at my photo albums?" and they'd be like, "no, girl. [ light laughter ] let's play barbies." >> jimmy: that sounds fun. >> but i was obsessed. and it's so funny, 'cause you know, then you go on this journey. i'm like, what should i do with my life? in college i had this, you know, college crisis like we all do at the end of college. like, what am i here for what am i going to do with my life and then i looked back, and i realized i've always been a magazine editor. you know ever since those days of playing with my little photo albums >> jimmy: yeah >> so -- but i never dreamed that someone like me could be in this kind of a position and so, once i found myself, you know, fighting my way to have a seat at the table and then at 29, 30, i was at the head of the taustr i've done more than i could have ever dreamed of as a small town girl from californi