they hinge on their high-profile founders you have right now in the spotlight adam neuman and wework asason are pushing him out. now, shareholders, theymay not like adam's reported drug use and erratic behavior but with founder risk, of course, comes founder reward, and the question they face is there a company, and is there a wework or tech we rork he built it and raised billions. earlier he told me his relationship with masa son was beautiful and it took 20 minutes for masa son to make a gut decision to invest they invested $10 million. now even half that number is looking difficult to attain and neuman looking more like a risk. guys >> diedre, we tend on wall street to measure the ipo as this point of sort of defining success, but not so out in silicon valley, right? adam neuman, even though he's based in new york, he's raised a ton of money, taken out a ton of money. in a way, he's already succeeded, right >> he's certainly succeeded. i think a lot of folks would argue that you go back to travis kalanick who never cared about an ipo, never cared about going public in the case of a