through the years, i never got to play with bobby jones. i knew him and really loved the man. uld love to play with jones. i played a bit of golf with hogan. david: you played with a lot of presidents of the united states. jack: a few. david: which one is the best? jack: trump is probably the best player. he plays pretty well. he plays a little bit like i do. he doesn't really ever finish many holes. he can hit the ball. he goes out and place and enjoys it. he can play. gerald ford, i played 50 rounds with him. i used to play with him at the at&t every year. he was a 13 handicap. he played with 13 handicap. clinton, i never knew what he might do. a 30.ht play to a 10 or he had a nice swing. all these guys enjoy playing golf. i don't think anyone of them was serious about the game. they all enjoyed playing it. it's good for the game of golf to have a president of the united states, this is my game. david: when you are playing in those kinds of matches, and the ball is 10 feet away from the hole, why do people not say, put it out? jack: that's a little bit of politics. you -- i'l

my colleagues and friends, anthony jenkins and bobby jones. and there was jim hopkins and dale witherspoon. also who came was gail burroughs, the wife of the late hugh burroughs. our mentor, host and producer of mosaic for 30 plus years. i was so glad to see her. she had heard about it on mosaic when i was interviewed about ministry. so a shout out to all of you that made it such a wonderful event. i have not been able to thank all of you and the churches i was able to serve. eastern hill in richmond. glide in san francisco. there was st. mark's. i just needed to do that and i thank you for that. i felt in the last few months when i talk about ministry in my interview with elizabeth, i thought about, what is the nature of ministry? even though i'm retired, i will always be active in prayer and concerned about ministry and what that means. and my guests this morning was also at my retirement pick jim hopkins who has been the pastor at lakeshore baptist for 31 years. >> i thought we would start right there. thank you for being at the retirement.

but through the years, i never got to play with bobby jones. i knew him and really loved the man. d have loved to play with jones. i would have loved -- i played quite a bit of golf with hogan. hogan was fantastic. david: you have also played with a lot of presidents of the united states. jack: i've played with a few. david: which one is the best? at playing golf? jack: well, the ones i have played with, actually, trump is probably the best player. david: really? jack: trump plays a little bit like i do. he doesn't really ever finish many holes, but he can hit the ball. he goes out and plays and enjoys it. but he has won several club championships. he can play. gerald ford, i played 50 rounds with ford. i used to play with him at the at&t every year. forward was about a 13 handicap. but he played to a 13 handicap. clinton, i never knew what he might do. clinton, he might play to a 10 or play to a 30. but he had a nice golf swing. all these guys enjoy playing golf. i don't think any one of them really were very serious about the game, but they all enjoyed playing. it's good for the

through the years, i never got to play with bobby jones, even though i knew him, really loved the manhave loved to play with the jones. i played quite a bit with hogan. hogan was fantastic. >> you have also played with presidents of the united states. >> of you. >> which ones are the best? >> trump is probably the best player. he plays a little bit like i do. he doesn't finish many holes, but he can hit the ball, just goes out and enjoys it. but he has won several club championships. gerald ford, i must have played 50 rounds with him. i used to play with him at the at&t every year. handicap, and he played to it. clinton, i never knew what he might do. 0, butht play to a 10 or 3 he had a nice golf swing. all of these guys enjoyed playing golf. i don't think any of them were really serious about the game but they enjoyed playing it. it is good for the game of golf to have the president of the united states -- this is my game. >> when you are playing in those matches with the president and let's say the ball is 10 feet away from the hole, why don't outle just say putt ut it instead of yo