welcome back to worlds apart that constantine gaza nonresidents color at the carnegie moscow center consented as we already mentioned all the climbers surrounding the moscow actions is only partially about moscow it's primarily about the upcoming elections and transit transit of power in 2024 year old dad the final dad president putin owes to the country is to free the as much as possible from putin is the system that he himself created ave or any signs of dot already happening no no. no mark recon is. proving that a liberal as it used to be for last 20 years oh oh what you see in politics that's all that's your call shifts mostly reaction on situation where you still don't see as somebody who can lead somebody who can show for the image of the future like the causing the problem but at the same time in the year one of your recent articles you sad that on the one hand putin has been using brute force to rule the country but on the other hand he also. claimed no one fears the presidential administration anymore brute force that no one fears isn't there a contradiction of terms no of course not

governing elites how does a bode for the system as a whole to discuss that i'm now joined by constantine gaza the resident scholar at the carnegie moscow center conception is good to talk to you thank you very much for coming into the studio for the invitation now as we are recording this program moscow as i still take getting governments buildings in moscow in support of populists in the us and the actor who was detained during the election protests. tests and sentenced to 3 and a half years in prison for a legit violence against law enforcement a charge that is contradicted by video evidence was deport refused to consider now the conviction buys of the russian word system is nothing new but i think the bill is ation off russian society provoke is what strike to you the most about it i think the reaction though from the cold public opinion on the picture on from police and troops almost stripped like half of nation just proved in the same moment it was oh a huge focus on state control to be the protests isn't organic it it's co-sponsored from the west and so on and so on but still half of th