kind of way in which it works, that sort of explains the different emphasis, maybe what the jerome corsi'sof the world are giving us, depending on your point of view it can either be, something that you know, sort of advances your interest and keep you safe, or a conspiracy, but the lack of adversarial process i think has persistently struck a lot of americans as somehow undemocratic. because, you know, they cannot necessarily engage, or change these processes, or understand or comment on them often, if they are happening in secret. >> if i can add just one quick other thing to that, in many ways, a part of the progressive tradition that produced the admin estate of state and then continued on for many many years, and we see this quite dramatically in hoover's career, is the idea that that is actually going to be the more virtuous part of the state, right? the part of the state that is professional, that sits outside of the drama of electoral politics, that is somehow going to be acting in the common good , as it is constructed, this is an enormously popular idea through much of the 20th c