also who came was gail burroughs, the wife of the late hugh burroughs. our mentor, host and producer of mosaic for 30 plus years. i was so glad to see her. she had heard about it on mosaic when i was interviewed about ministry. so a shout out to all of you that made it such a wonderful event. i have not been able to thank all of you and the churches i was able to serve. eastern hill in richmond. glide in san francisco. there was st. mark's. i just needed to do that and i thank you for that. i felt in the last few months when i talk about ministry in my interview with elizabeth, i thought about, what is the nature of ministry? even though i'm retired, i will always be active in prayer and concerned about ministry and what that means. and my guests this morning was also at my retirement pick jim hopkins who has been the pastor at lakeshore baptist for 31 years. >> i thought we would start right there. thank you for being at the retirement. but what is it like to be a pastor that long in a church? most of us at united methodist don't have pastors for that l