still with me is julian emanuel of btig.going to start off with someone who says yes, and that on -- harnett of -- hold absolute strategy, there we go. he's a bond bull for sure. this is what he had to say about a week ago. >> in the past when you seen recessionary environments, yields have fallen 200 basis points from the previous peak. that will take you to 1.25 percent, maybe 1% on the 10 recy environments, yields have year. alix: what do you think? julian: not going to happen. in the last year, we have been >>a bit of a bond bubble when you see -- bond bubble. when you see the kind of activity you saw in august andged from 2.05 to 1.45, this massive snap back in september driven by better than ,xpected economy in the u.s. is printing at 10 year highs, and in our view, this was the popping of what we think is going to be looked at as a negativity bubble, and that type of environment, bond yields are going higher. less, to us, you can have all of the -- plus, to us, you can have all of the negative yields you want. we just