i think we have kammy blackstone from at & t. i'm assuming, ms. blackstone, that at&t is part of this association of northern california's joint policy -- i didn't even know that existed -- joint pole association; correct? >> indeed we are. >> supervisor fewer: and i'm assuming, ms. blackstone, that you are joint owners of these -- some of these 22,000 jointly owned utility poles; is that correct? >> indeed we are. >> supervisor fewer: okay. >> good morning, supervisors. thank you very much for having this hearing. my name is kammy blackstone and i am the director of external affairs for at&t and looking forward to this presentation. i'm here not only as a director of at&t but a city long-time resident of san francisco. i'm a part of this community that has concerns about overhead wiring. i wanted to start by presenting some basic facts about poles in california. you've heard quite a bit already from the cpuc and pg&e. just to go over it again, you're looking there in this slide just some basic facts about the poles in california. we are in the co

. >> supervisor fewer: kammy, just for clarification, you own -- part ownership of 26,000 poles in san francisco. so every time anyone wants to attach new stuff onto the pole, that they have to follow -- they must apply to the pole owner. >> right. >> supervisor fewer: so if at&t wanted to attach new stuff, new equipment, you would apply to yourself? >> i don't think we would file an application to ourselves. i'm talking about an external carrier or provider >> supervisor fewer: so that means of 26,000 poles that at&t had ownership in, you can attach any new equipment that at&t owns. >> with the 2,000 that we solely own, yes. but with the co-ownership ones, we would need to discuss with pg&e. we still need to do a load calculation. all of this has to be approved. it has to be able to withstand all of the additional load and we would never install something that would make a pole fail. we do have the internal review process as well. it's not a formal application. >> supervisor fewer: so would at&t then have to apply to the other pole owner, which is pg&e. so you jointly own these poles