michael mansfield, a vegetarian.it is consistent, what he is saying is that it should be banned the way that smoking is, because it has all the same perils, it is wilfully destroying animals. i do not think it will necessarily find a landing place in this particular nation right now at a time of complete peril in the political chaos, i'm not sure this is the time for a nation to be encouraged to change their eating habits. but i defend his right to make the position, it is consistent. at speakeasies, make the position, it is consistent. at spea keasies, black—market make the position, it is consistent. at speakeasies, black—market bacon! people are eating less meat for health and ecological reasons, and once they trade substitutes that look and taste like meat... and they have. once it becomes more mainstream, people will question whether they need to eat meat. i can question whether in 20 years it might be looked down upon in the same way that shooting staggies. i don't think it should be criminalised, michael mansf

this is michael mansfield, a vegetarian. a vegetarian barrister. what's wrong with that? it is a bit ahead of its time. ithink i think it is a bit ahead of its time. i think as time goes on, people will for ecological reasons for financial reasons probably eat a lot meat, and i doubt that is probably dependent on how quickly artificial meat can be discovered and produced so that people effectively cannot tell the difference between them, and i think that will be when people in significant numbers commit to a vegetarian lifestyle. it may not be necessary to make it illegal because things will shift. yes, i think that actually we will not need artificial meat. i think people's taste buds and pallets will increasingly evolve, as they have done throughout history according to what is provided to them, and i think that perhaps the day i mean, we see it in every high street in the uk. more and more vegetarian options, beacon options, gluten—free. and more vegetarian options, beacon options, gluten-free. well, that is it for the papers tonight. you have been with us for hours. m