here's part of what olof scholtz said today during the budget debate in the build this talk minus the in my view it is essential that with a solid financial basis that we now have we can react with many many billions of euros if that's the recession in germany or europe and we will do it then the bad news often. are for more on this i'm joined now by our political correspondent. and here at the big table with me chris from d.w. business to both of you welcome to start with you so says that germany can spend its way out of a possible recession or economic crisis why not use that money now when it invests to prevent the crisis. well that's a lot to do with germany's famous or infamous black 0 policy what that means is the you said it is now the self-imposed goal of keeping the federal budget balanced and it has become what the main pillar off germany's fiscal policy under a chance i'm going to america and her finance ministers are going to always argue that it's important how and important is not to burden future generations with debt especially looking at germany's rapidly aging societ