frying for the ages biggest manufacturer toyota not here the japanese contingent of the renault mitsubishi nissan alliance also not here in fact of the japanese carmakers only honda is president of presenting its own honda electric compact city car but there you have. you also noted as well about the chinese carmakers have really stepped up their game here in fact many of them are here for the 1st time like the likes of a honkey and over by 10 and it's interesting that they're coming here in full force at a time where even germany's homegrown car makers are scaling back their presence here at the frankfurt motor show you had b.m.w. slash about 75 percent of its investment into the show is here back as well the fight for relevant for the frankfurt motor show is such that if the chinese carmakers wanted to come back in a 2 year is that when the next frankfurt motor show is scheduled it's not even clear that they would be coming back to an event that still exists in the form that it now exists all right so while it still exists in the form that it does exist in how do those chinese those asian costs differen