your state department admits it tried to bribe the captain of b.p. running oil tanker around the center of a diplomatic round so they could seize it and your vessel. and foreign owned businesses are looted in the south african city of johannesburg and a wave of anti immigrant right. and proper longstanding planning to add on to it called president bill brink they said they did both up was that it was played on the scale much afraid.

state departments to come before committees on capitol hill. there is talk of just what this means for the state department, for your state department. rtment here ready to do battle. you hear rudy giuliani talking about the adversarial relationship he has with the department. how worried are you about what happens to foggy bottom, to the state department going forward? >> well, it is america's state department. and it takes years to build strong institutions and not so long to tear them down. i thought that the dismissal of the u.s. ambassador to ukraine was, for no good republican, a blow against professionalism. i think that kurt volker, the special envoy for ukraine, his resignation is a blow against professionalism. i'm sorry he felt he had to leave, but i understand it. the problem is in the pursuit of what appears to be president trump's personal political interest, america's institutions and its standing in the world are damaged. and this is alarming. america is the leader of the free world, and we need to continue to play that role. europeans and others, even the ones who complain about us, seek and want american leadership.

your hearing the state department are asking for this.ught they wanted to fast-track impeachment. >> there are couple of things that stand out to me. if they go the route of subpoenaing records, almost all of these ended up in court. whether the lowercase other cases, democrats say republicans are not allowing oversight. the republicans argue that this is harassment and not designed to get to the bottom of the facts. the other thing, as we learn more about the whistleblower complaints, more of the threads will start to unravel. one thing we learned today, and official worked there has since left. their job was to handle the transcripts. a year ago, they were placing the transcripts in the top-secret computer system with codeword, access. he didn't see a difference between the whistleblower alleged into the complaint and what he knew a year ago. it was a different handling of the record. the federalist is reporting there was a change in regulations within the intelligence community that allowed the whistleblowers to come forward if they ha

state department said you were manipulating personal records over billing the state department and your gods were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car it was a state department best occasion in 2007. look we employed thousands of people and i would never say that the men were perfect we didn't employ angels we employed veterans who volunteered to serve their country again in a very dangerous place and like i said 41 of them paid the ultimate cost and hundreds more were seriously wounded it's amazing that when you say we didn't employ angels we employed veterans but right now you want to do it all again that's the problem is it not. well here's the thing after after 17 years of war ok where the united states is spending more than the entire you gave the budget defense budget just this year and still losing in afghanistan i think it's time to look at a different way i want to talk about afghanistan but just before we get to your afghan plan i just want to get to what drives you when you kind of come up with these plans to do private security especially at these muslim majorit

state department said you were manipulating personal records over billing the state department and your gods were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car a state department best occasion in 2007. look we employed thousands of people and i would never say that the men were perfect we didn't employ angels we employed veterans who volunteered to serve their country again in a very dangerous place and like i said 41 of them paid the ultimate cost and hundreds more were seriously wounded it's amazing that when you say we didn't employ angels we employed veterans but right now you want to do it all again that's the problem is it not. well here's the thing after after 17 years of war ok where the united states is spending more than the entire you gave the budget defense budget just this year and still losing in afghanistan i think it's time to look at a different way i want to talk about afghanistan but just before we get to your afghan plan i just want to get to what drives you when you kind of come up with these plans to do private security especially at these muslim majority count

state department is raising doubt about the other 14 china cases. the state department's medical office sent mark lenzi this note, that says "we have reached the decision that yourmptoms and findings do not correlate with the havana cohort." >> lenzi: they tried to deny it. they tried to cover it up. they tried to minimize it. >> pelley: why would the state department minimize this? >> lenzi: because it's china. because we have such a large trade relationship with them. you can push around cuba. their trade, you know, relations are minimal. with china, that's a different beast, right? >> pelley: state department doctors told robyn garfield his illness stems from a baseball injury 17 years ago-- which does not explain his wife and children. >> robyn garfield: it is a very complicated geopolitical relationship between the u.s. and china. so that to me feels like why this determination's being made. your benefits today that the for state department is refusing to call this an attack? >> robyn garfield: it has significant impact on our, our life, our finances. my career as well, likely. i have not been afforded time for my rehabilitation. being classified as "preexi

state department. i never talked to a ukrainian official until the state department asked me to do it. >> your responser? >> well, i mean, that frankly raises even higher levels of concern. when i was in kiev, i asked the state department if they had been involved in any of the back channel communications with the zelensky government trying to get them to interfere in the 2020 election. they told me they weren't. so now we have a question of how deep this goes in the state department. how many people in the state department were trying to pressure the zelensky government to destroy vice president biden and his family? i don't know whether that's the truth from what we understand. rudy giuliani has long been involved in trying to manipulate ukrainian politics. i think it was unlikely he was simply doing this as the request of the state department. if he was, why on earth was the state department trying to get campaign advisers for the president to do diplomacy with the ukrainians? that strains credibility. but if it's true, it frankly has to be part of what the house is looking into. >> senator, you jus

state department said you were manipulating personal records over billing the state department and your gods were partying drinking and even crashed an armored car it was a state department best occasion in 2007. look we employed thousands of people and i would never say that the men were perfect we didn't employ angels we employed veterans who volunteered to serve their country again in a very dangerous place and like i said 41 of them paid the ultimate cost and hundreds more were seriously wounded it's amazing that when you say we didn't employ angels we employed veterans but right now you want to do it all again that's the problem is it not. well here's the thing after after 17 years of war ok where the united states is spending more than the entire you gave to budget defense budget just this year and still losing in afghanistan i think it's time to look at a different way i want to talk about afghanistan but just before we get to your afghan plan i just want to get to what drives you when you kind of come up with these plans to do private security especially at these muslim majority

what's your take given your work at the state department, at the white house, the pentagon and the military about releasing this transcript? >> i think secretary mnuchin does make a good point. you don't want every transcript or every call released. it would inhibit the confidentiality of these talks. that said, this is an exceptional case. >> release the transcript! >> you never know when he's going to stop and talk. >> he did exactly the right thing. this is an exceptional case. even if they don't want to release them to the public, at least sharing them with the intelligence committees so that you can see for sure exactly what was said, as well as the whistleblower complaint. what i'm struggling with is if this was such a beautiful conversation, why not at least let the intelligence committees take a look at the whistleblower complaint and the transcript, and then you can make a follow-on decision about public release later on. so this is a very unique situation. >> can i also just add real quickly, the irony of this administration relying -- you know, making an argument based on precede

c-span, your unfiltered view of government. >>> state department officials discussed public diplomacy at an event hosted by the university of southern california and george washington university in washington, d.c. it's 50 minutes. >>> good morning, everybody. i believe we're on c-span live so pictures of us milling around are filling, i wouldn't call it the air waves, but thank you so much for joining us today and a very special welcome to our guest, assistant secretary michelle gujda and assistant principal secretary for global affairs bureau, nicole shulick. we're honored to have them here today. a special welcome to our commissioners of the advisory commission for public diplomacy, chairman farar, vice chairman bill hible and commissioner ann weidner. today, as you know, under the auspices of the advisory commission we've called a public meeting to look at the question of the gpa, the newly formed gpa. and where it fits into state department's vision for public diplomacy going forward in the 21st century. and as vivian walker, executive director, it is my honor to open this event.

president uses somebody especially if it involves somebody overseas that you coordinate your activities with the state departmentch seems to be what happened here. none of which suggests that any of that by itself is improper or illegal. >> what do you think? >> rudy giuliani's involvement is problematic for donald trump and for rudy giuliani. first of all, donald trump, why is the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, who is not at any of these relevant times any type of government employee, he did not work if say the, he did not work for the white house, why is donald trump's personal lawyer trying to get dirt on joe biden likely political rival for donald trump? it shows that the interest donald trump had in here was not the national interests of the united states, it was donald trump's own personal interests represented by his personal lawyer and donald trump's own political interests. as far as rudy giuliani himself is involved, he has to be very careful here because it is a federal crime to solicit, to try to get from a foreign national anything of value relating to an election. so if you break down,

state department asked him to reach out to ukraine. the problem, is state department says that didn't happen. [♪] [♪] check your credit scores for free andrn how to improve them at creditkarma. here's to progress. >>> welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. this is cnn newsroom from atlanta. >>> the white house reports that white house were so concerned about the 2017 meeting with two russian officials, you may recall it, they moved to keep it under wraps. the president was beaming when he stood with russian officials in the white house. he said at this meeting, he was not concerned about moscow's interference in the 2016 presidential election. the phone call with ukraine's leader wasn't the only one kept secret. access was restricted to other conversations he had with world leaders, in particular the crown prince of saudi arabia and the russian president. the u.s. special envoy to ukraine has resigned. curt volcker's resignation comes a day after his name was in a complaint of the inquiry on u.s. president trump. joining me now is jill dougherty, global fellow for the woodrow wilson center. jill, thanks fo

to your point, i think at the state department of public affairs has been synonymous with domestic communications public diplomacy and we tried to break out of that mindset and think about the public affairs, and disassociate with the committee commit communicating about the policy to be. again, i use integration with this and we want to think about that together that is not that we are doing both together cars were very well aware but whether we think about that together. if you that can think about how the communicating domestically then digital has made that a fact. we want to communicate that we are focused on public affairs in a broader sense and communicating about both policy and value in a global way. so global and public affairs. it was a large -- robust conversation. >> thank you to the panel for coming. my name is jonathan. i'm a student of the state department and its history. my question to the panel is, it seems like there is this normative executive, diplomatic reading and writing of practice about the nature of public affairs and public diplomacy. that's the first thing. it also s

your fbi. >> sean: and the state department. last thing, fact, the state department asked you to look into it. >> i got all of the memos, all of the texts. they asked me, i reported it back. and thanked me for the good work i did. >> sean: good for you. mr. mayor. it's important -- it's important. that's an important fact. sir, thank you. >> investigate biden, then investigate me. >> sean: okay. okay. i'll -- i'll stay on biden. we'll let the mob go after you like they always do. it happened your whole career. when we come back, we have an incredible studio audience. they will join us as we continue tonight on hannity. here, it all starts with a simple... hello! -hi! how can i help? a data plan for everyone. everyone? everyone. let's send to everyone! [ camera clicking ] wifi up there? -ahhh. sure, why not? how'd he get out?! a camera might figure it out. that was easy! glad i could help. at xfinity, we're here to make life simple. easy. awesome. so come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. log on to foxnews.com. >>

your fbi. >> sean: and the state department. last thing, fact, the state department asked you to look into it. >> i got all of the memos, all of the texts. they asked me, i reported it back. and thanked me for the good work i did. >> sean: good for you. mr. mayor. it's important -- it's important. that's an important fact. sir, thank you. >> investigate biden, then investigate me. >> sean: okay. okay. i'll -- i'll stay on biden. we'll let the mob go after you like they always do. it happened your whole career. when we come back, we have an incredible studio audience. they will join us as we continue tonight on hannity. biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures in a country that fosters innovation here, they find breakthroughs... like a way to fight cancer by arming a patient's own t-cells... because it's not just about the next breakthrough... it's all the ones after that. performance comes in lots of flavors. ♪ (dramatic orchestra) there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then

. >> you didn't get involved in this on your own did our state department ask you to go on a missionhem? >> they did. >> seth: oh, my god, rudy, why do you keep going on tv and confessing this stuff? [ laughter ] here's my theory, when rudy and trump and their cohorts are huddled in the white house, or on air force one, they all make perfect sense to each other. right? they don't even realize the plans they're making are crimes. it's like when you and your friends take mushrooms in the back bedroom and you're throwing theories around. you feel like geniuses then you leave the bedroom, but you forgot your mom's having her book club. and suddenly the moment they all look at you, you realize, oh no, we're really [ bleep ] high. [ laughter and applause seriously, that fast, he gives it up that fast. can you imagine rudy's episode of "law & order" [ "law & order" chime >> did our state department ask you to go on a mission for them? >> they did. ♪ [ cheers and applause >> seth: then, rudy admitted again during an interview on fox news, where he literally held up his phone to show his call

. >> laura: state department -- is your relationship with pompeo go to? are you guys good?ecause maggie eber men said pompeo is unhappy with you. is that true? i know both of you. i haven't heard about this except from maggie k abraham. >> i think they should congratulate him because if it weren't for me nobody would unveil mass corruption by the vice president of the united states. in fact, i'm the legitimate whistle-blower that i have uncovered corruption that the swamp has been covering up effectively for years and is state department, you know, asked me to do this. so mike, if you're unhappy with me, i'm sorry but i accomplish my mission. i even -- you didn't put the last one about how good my conversation was. >> laura: we will put that up on the screen. i like that one. >> i have no idea if he is unhappy with me or not. frankly, i don't care. i'm the president's lawyer. the president is as clear on this charge completely and the reality is that joe biden did everything that the stupid fools accuse the president of doing wt she didn't do and now they are doubling down

state department receive their visas. and your mortgage problems and atika unfortunately we have many problems with the u.s. many issues with the u.s. because or because we don't want to act in a. manner in the eye for an eye manner of. remembering what the obama administration used to do people how they basically seized our diplomatic property within the us just as we simply had to respond in a similar as the rain and we did the same 2 parters american little. property in russia. the us constitution says that private property is sacred and. i think that it is very un-american to do that on your part and i think it goes against your democratic principles and traditions you should work with your just simply to prospective all disrespectful to their group and also the yahoo web site. recently recalled that. mr obama seized our property and made a story that those darn chairs outside washington and new york were somehow. people who should spy nests this is this is really with a series of acts for another one little we would like thes

>> rudy giuliani is claiming that the state department called him up and said, we need your help withne. so that in and of itself is rudy giuliani essentially sayingas tt he being c ct by c c united states to be a diplomat to ukraine. that pro pematic to democrats. they say, how is the president's personal lawyer now acting as a sort of ambassador the it's alsoecause, of course, he's theresident's personal lawyer. so wha you see is the president releasing the democrats -- putting his own political interests in front of the national interests of this country. you also have in rudy giuliani someone who is saying now tt testify before congress. isd i think that's going to be an interesting dn on his part, because democrats are very, very eager toalk to rudy giuliani. they'ralso eager to talk to, i think, a number of othereople complaint.nhis i think, like the mueller report, what we see in this complaint is a wholeho number of people around the president doing two things. either, one, helping h actions along, if you're rudy giulianwo or trying to mitigate what he's doing by giving ukrain

work for your father at the state department.hat -- >> sorry -- no. >> she says he was a good guy. >> he was. he passed away this year and i miss him a lot. he was the thing i learned about -- learn from him more than anything else was that public service was a nobel -- noble calling and we all have a responsibility to this democracy. that's what he believed and animated everything he did and that's why die the work i do. >> another question, what is wrong with today's political climate that prevents you from being an obvious front runner to be our next president. >> we are living in a transition moment in the economy, and i've ways -- i wrestle in the book and wrestled since i wrote the book with the effect of social media on on our democracy. it's obvious that social media could not have been a real positive, couldn't be used to democratickize our country and to empower people. so far from a political point of view that's not what it's done. it's been a cor corrosive disaster for the democracy and created a celebrity i think is

state department before. christian whiton served as senior advisor of the state department under president trump and george w. bush. previously worked with john bolton at the state department. i want to get yourat we've heard even more detail about the rift between the president's policies and john bolton. >> i think it reflects on a lot of things going on. first of all, the type of national security advisor you want for the strategic environment you are in. the fact that, frankly, he's not that likable to some more good t politics, to some. more importantly come of the strategic shift away from counterinsurgency. that's been a big -- if not the top -- story of policy. one of the big features moving away from cowboys and indians in middle eastern backwater scum of the counterinsurgency mission we've been working on since 2001, to something that recognizes where the world is today -- >> harris: i think we have lost our guest. christian white in. we are going to go back to the white house for a moment, because our john roberts was among the reporters to ask questions to the two secretaries. do we have our guest back? christian white? give us moment through to read this happen sometimes in break

and now we find out from your reporting, rudy giuliani was sent there by the state department.hat was that? >> yeah, so actually rudy giuliani has actually even never set foot in the ukraine, that's the funny part. in july of this year, this is a contact that over the last couple days the media has been hysterical about but here's the construct and the understanding. in july, a senior diplomat at the u.s. state department contacted you rudy giuliani andd there is a representative, a lawyer, advisor to the brand-new president of ukraine who would like to talk with you. you don't appear to be taking any calls from ukrainians these days. would you consider taking his call? can you give him your number? mr. giuliani said yes, i'll be glad to take the call. he had a contact with the advisor. they met briefly in spain, not in ukraine. and then rudy giuliani called two senior diplomats, two of the most senior people on the ambassadorial staff, described with the ukrainians might trigger were concerned about and described what they were looking for and described the dynamic. you can tr

. >> jen, you, woulded in the obama white house and state department. what was your read on how this was handled? both the call and then white house officials? obviously seeming to know they had a problem on their hands, putting the transcript where normally not politically sensitive but actually like intelligence matters sensitive information was put? >> and in a period of 48 hours there's been a lot of striking and shocking information, i think two pieces there's going to be a long tale on, the web of people what was happening and their role in this. i was at the white house eight years. at least hoalf worked with the national security team. not a decision made unless there was a high-level directive to do it. there had to have been awareness at high level. the other piece that really stood out to me is the fact that this was not the only call. not the only time. yes, he asked the ukrainian president to look for dirt on his opponent. what about his calls with mohammed bin salman? his calls with president pootut and duterte from the philippines? people not aligned w

state, mike pompeo, for documents involving ukraine. you're calling him to testify as well. in your eyes, does he bear responsibility for rudy guiliani's interference in state department affairs? >> well, if rudy guiliani is telling the truth, then he definitely bears responsibility. who is rudy guiliani as it relates to the state department or any official position of the united states government? he has none to my knowledge. he is not an ambassador, not a special envoy. he has no specific title. he has not been employed by the federal government. and in that regard, he is the president's private attorney obviously playing the role of henchman in attempt to dig up dirt on political opponents. this is outrageous. this is why i asked the inspector general of the state department to investigate, as to what the state department did, what it knew, what the secretary knew, how was rudy guiliani facilitated, who was he given access to, what role was he allowed to play for the same documents, many documents the house is asking for, which the state department has not been willing to come forward with. so we have the president of the united states perversing, corrupting the use of his

states high-impact efforts to return american hostages home with great effect. congratulations and i look forward to working with you and your new role." officials here at the state department have described o'brien as effective, discrete, and a safe and fine choice as national security advisor. two foreign ambassadors who say they've worked closely with o'brien, diplomatic, levelheaded and calm. o'brien has been in and out of the federal government. he cofounded his own law firm in los angeles. he even works with his predecessor john bolton in 2005 at the united nations general assembly. it bret. >> bret: rich edson of the state department, thank you. american airlines mechanic charged with sabotaging a jetliner remains in jail tonight. a federal judge citing new evidence of potential terrorism sympathies and denying bail. during a hearing today in miami. prosecutors say his actions could have caused the plane to crash with 150 people aboard. they say he had videos on his cell phone depicting murders by isis terrorists. he has told authorities he tempered with the plane because of frustration over ongoing labor negotiations. there is growing uncertainty of the night about

giuliani share with cnn what he says is attacks from a top state department official as discussed connecting you here with andre your mac who is very close to president zelensky i suggest we schedule a call together on monday. the secretary of state and says his department did nothing wrong as to the best of my knowledge some from what i've seen so far each of the actions that were undertaken by state department officials was entirely appropriate. >>and consistent with the objective that we've had certainly since this new government has come into office. >>the white house press secretary released a statement saying quote nothing has changed with the release of this whistleblower complaint which is nothing more then a collection of third-hand accounts of events and coupled together press clippings many people have been reacting to the details of the whistleblower complaint, including california lawmakers cross for sale of a second joins us live in the newsroom now. >>well for many california officials this the details of this call are raising several red flags, not only are they saying president trump is abusing his

that the state department has been supporting it supports individuals around the world in their human dignity rights. that you and i support those as well. you don't buy any more that will be your wishes on the grounds of sexual orientation you know i don't. support what state department does in this area the area i work in is religious freedom but as governor of kansas you issued an executive order rescinding protection against employment discrimination based on sexual orientation with which i did because there was not a statute that supported and i thought those should be determined by statute not by executive order a loss to your boss the cycle you want to talk about religious freedom. to a frustrated 2 lost last year your boss the secretary of state went as far as to suggest that donald trump's presidential victory could have been the result of divine intervention to buy into that narrative. that's the secretary's opinion. you know i know i'm not going to talk about theology with you to talk about religious freedom but i'm going to talk you down you know you don't share his view will you do share his i'm not going to comment on its or i mean other people in the administrati

state department's behest. take a listen. >> insiders saying you muck this up, your response. >> man, i really did. know who i did it at the request of, the state department. i never talked to a ukrainian official until the state department called me and asked me to do it, and then i reported every conversation back to them. and laura, i'm a pretty good lawyer, just a country lawyer but it's all here, right here. the first call from the state department. >> do we know if that's true st. >> so i would say two things about that. one is still we're still early in this investigation and we don't know everything about that. we don't know the extent to which giuliani was coordinating with the secretary of state mike pompeo. although some of the reporting we've done at "the post" suggests that was an exaggeration if not worse by giuliani. i suppose investigators will find it helpful he insists he has receipts for this and he holds up his phone like that, i'm sure they're going to want to see that phone and see what's on those calls and those records because he's functioning as a freelance person here. he's

here to weigh in, former state department official and we appreciate it as always. you hear the term war, what is your initial response? this is some scary stuff. >> there are a lot of concerns in terms of the current strategy of the maximum pressure campaign. it is not deterring iran. iran up tactics activities so we have a situation where they have attacked the oil refinery in saudi arabia so the next step is what should we do about that? we -- this is not deterring iran. what is next? pushing for pressure? instead donald trump decided to use economic sanctions, impose additional economic sanctions. shannon: do you think that will work? the latest incident comes on the heels that we talked about all the incidents in the strait of hormuz. >> it might work because there's a lot of speculation that economic sanctions are crippling the iranian economy. it is timely as we see the united nations general somebody coming up, a lot of dignitaries especially iranian leadership so this may be an opportunity to think about what is going on in terms of tensions between the two countries. >> as a veteran you know

the most newsworthy americans their diplomats and with the state department national people i'm mentioning weren't insurgents you killed your men killed a mother and son on their way to an appointment of a sentence as i mean it kills a 9 year old boy sadly head sadly the insurgents don't wear uniforms they would drive ambulances filled with explosives they would drive so you remember those they were shooting at insurgents. a car bomb doesn't give you much time to decide there was no call bowman missile square in 2007 actually right. before mr square event there was there when i was still square there was no callable scuse me less than 5 minutes before that event happened there was a large car bomb that went off where there was a protective team of ours protecting us the idea official and sadly that that car bomb went off the team decided to move through their. and a support team went to block the traffic circle so that. the fleeing team could move through smoothly and not be ambushed when the when the intelligence provided by the state department the u.s. government says be on the lookout for a white kiya in all the other c

the e-mail from justice said the department rejected your appeal of the united states attorney officeecision in this matter. any further inquiry should be to the office. the washington, d.c., recommended moving forward with charges based on the findings of the 2018 inspector general report. he was fired over the findings within days of his retirement. michael e horowitz concluded he lacked candor on four separate occasions. his role on the clinton foundation and confirmed the fbi probe of the operation. that was one week before the presidential election. horowitz also found he violated media policy because confirmation of an ongoing fbi investigation was not in the public interest. rather it was divide to benefit mccabe and push back against criticism he was compromised because his wife took more than $600,000 from democrats for 2015 state senate race. before the news broke, senior republican on the house judiciary committee said the indictment is likely because trump aids were prosecuted. >> you cannot really tell the public, we are going to treat people differently with different st

your secretary of state also be your national security adviser? >> no. jen can speak more intimately to this because she worked at the state department. but you want a national security adviser who is coordinating the processes among all the agencies that deal with these issues on behalf of the president and essentially exercising some oversight on those cabinet agencies. that would not be the case if the secretary of state were also the national security adviser. and what's peculiar about this is i mean you now have a chief of staff in the white house who is also the omb director. you have -- you'd have a secretary of state who is the -- and the circles around the president are closing, and the oversight is shrinking. i would think it would be a very concerning thing. >> jen, i mean do you see it that way? >> i do. i'd also add, you know, the role of the secretary of state and the national security adviser is certainly to advise the president, and this president takes his own counsel. but it's also to be a representative to the world. when i worked for secretary of state john kerry, i traveled with him about 600,000 miles. now, pompe

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from your perspective, when you hear these people from the state department including kurt volker who has resigned tonight, who has resigned tonight, who has resigned tonight, what will are you listening for? what is it that congress wants to get out from the state department? >> they want to know all the facts and also perspective were they enabling or contain the damage? the reporting on kolker that he was trying to contain the damage and hes leaving because he did not think he could serve effectively anymore. it is a significant development, as someone who left the president's team, he would be somebody i would absolutely want to focus on because i think his resignation signals he wants to tell the truth and want to do the right thing. he believes telling the truth is contrary to his ability serving in this administration. one thing that i will be looking for in the coming days, are there more resignations. the president lacks the ability to direct him about who he can talk to or not talk to if he's no longer working for the government or if he's a private citizen. this is a very s

state department. >> stephen: wow. he's got it all on his phone. can we zoom in and see what those two messages are? an alert from goon-cigars.com: "yours ready for pickup," and the other, a text from trump saying, "do not say state department called you. p.s.: are the cigars in yet?" ( cheers and applause ) you see! you see! the pressure seemed to be getting to rudy, so yesterday, he got on the phone with a reporter for "the atlantic." and i bet he's regretting releasing the transcript of this call, too. rudy went off, yelling, "it is impossible that the whistleblower is a hero and i'm not. and i will be the hero! these morons-- when this is over, i will be the hero." ( laughter ) fun fact: the guy screaming, "i will be the hero," rarely the hero. ( laughter ) ( applause ) "those fools, those fools! they said i was insane! i'll show them all! i'll show them who's mad. ha-ha. " of course, no one in the white house wants to praise rudy right now. according to the reporter, yesterday, a former white house official said, this entire ukraine scandal was "rudy putting (bleep) in trump's head." my only question: how can you possibly fit any

obviously confidential communications, but if i am your attorney and you're my client and you ask me to talk to third parties, ie, ukrainian officials, state departmenticials, bill barr, members of the justice department. if you authorize me as your attorney to talk to other people about what we talked about, there's no privilege. it's called the third party exception. there is no way he can invoke a privilege for the topics that adam schiff wants to talk about. >> based on what we know, could giuliani be in any legal jeopardy? >> let's put this way. if i were rudy giuliani, i would put duct tape over my mouth and go into the witness protection program, because every time he gets on television, every time he talks to a reporter, he not only does a disservice to his client, he possibly puts himself in legal jeopardy. why? he allegedly is part of a conspiracy to persuade a foreign country, ukraine, to interfere in our election. that is against the law. >> matthew, i want to turn to the server and that information regarding some of the president's top secret calls is being stored on. what do we know about the type of information that is typically hidden

your take on this, on the whole hillary clinton and that explosive article from the "washington post." because 2016 does live on, doesn't it? so of course you heard the "washington post" reports that the state departmentary clinton's former aides. what is your take on it? have you received any of these fishing expedition emails? >> well, i have to start with i testified to the benghazi select committee in 2015. and the unending queries from the house republicans then and clearly now with the house republican and secretary of state, it doesn't at all surprise me that this is happening. no, i served during secretary kerry he's tim kerry's time so i'm not on that in that moment. but this does ring alarm bells. this can be very clearly done to send a message to many former state department officials, democratic appointees in many instances that they have to be careful about what they say. and that is potentially an abuse of power as well. so the hillary clinton email scandal keeps going. >> what does it say that some of these folks are getting the emails from the state department saying we want your e mailings from years ago? >> it is t. says that they are trying to stir up concern of those who served. an

your response. >> man, you know who i did at the request of? the state department. i never talk to ukrainian official until the state department called me and asked me to do it. and then i reported to every conversation back to them. laura, i'm a pretty good lawyer, just a country lawyer, but it's all right here, right here. the first call from the state department. the debriefing of the state. >> laura: why are they out to get you? why are they out to get you? >> i will complement my stuff because i do a good job and they try to destroy everyone. they will not intimidate me. in fact, i'm going to work harder because i don't get intimidated by bullies. i have a chapter in my book about standing up to bullies. and i never realized the depth of the corruption. i always thought joe biden intellectually was challenged, but a nice guy. i never knew the depth of his corruption. it is massive, shocking and if i played a role in getting that out, i do a service to my country and i'm proud of it. everything i do is defensible and everything i did was legal. most of what they

so i think the state department has a lot to explain. >> so might secretary of state pompeo be on the list of people you want to hear from in front of your about my list, absolutely he would be. >> president trump, i don't know if you had a chance to see, he tweeted this morning just before we came on the air for this show about somebody he described as a partisan operative feeding information to this whistle-blower, and in a new video that emerged overnight the president was railing at this event closed door against the whistle-blower, alluding that they may be spies and bringing up treason. do you view that as a threat or witness intimidation, or would you not go that far? >> it is a threatening statement from the president. first the idea that he would consider this person treasonous and a spy. the person reported abuse of behavior and abuse of power by the president and he did it through the proper channels. so when i read that, my first thought was that the president is trying to intimidate this whistle-blower, and also try to intimidate anyone else who might report on abuses of power of president trump. he's very much trying to sca