former jpmorgan chief economist anthony chan, kingsview wealth management's scott martin and last but rogers. the betting is the talks are happening. no one pulling the rug out from under them. but they have dramatically lowered expectation because of harsh words between the two sides. been there, done that, heard that again and again. everything goes down, but something could happen still, right? >> yeah. i think they could find middle ground. i think that even though i very much agree with the motivation behind the blacklist, i think it probably couldn't have come at a worse time. neil: why did they do that, whatever the justification? why now? >> with the talk around the nba manager who supported hong kong, then capitulation from the nba in that area, it could be that the u.s. said we need to take a stand on this now. ip n i'm not exactly sure why they chose two days before a trade meeting but it was certainly bad timing. neil: you think about it, the nba was already hoping to see a lot of its early pregames broadcast across china. now none of them are. that could change. but it's