finally your letter says dhs i.c.e. detention program is dedicated significant resources to ensure the proper care of detainees in compliance with tho standards. you think it is appropriate for your company to make that kind of a statement that suggest i.c.e. is doing everything properly even though i know you are a beneficiary of their resources? do you believe that is a reasonable position for you to take? a yes or a no. i take your silence as a yes or a no. ms. hawkins are you familiar with this the nakamato letter? >> yes. you have a position on whether not raise concerns of -- >> it did strike me as strange to see criticism of a previous inspection in the nakamato inspection but i looked into this event when i wrote an article on i.c.e. inspections published earlier thisbl year ad one of the criticisms that nakamato made of the oig inspections were that oig didn't have people with experience in detention or corrections when i asked what people said it's true.pl it is possible that oig got certain details wrong or m

dhs using interagency approved processes, the regular review has also helped -- i apologize, dhs interagencyapproved process, the process leverages autoor the -- authoritarian data and through the routine review dhs and state have seen cooperation with foreign governments. another country helped the u.s. revoke the visas of most notorious criminals including one that was in route for the united states and third convicted individuals committing fraud in visa applications. the regular review has also helped the u.s. promote better compliance with international standards, best practices, 3 countries have adopted more secured passport and access to database for first time and 8 countries remained reporting lost passports. the steps improved u.s. and international security and the travel restrictions that remain in police under proclamation 9645 are there to mitigate the risks posed by foreign government that is have proven unwilling or unable to adhere to the criteria. nonetheless, travel restrictions under 2012s are conditional and will remain in place only as long as necessary to reduce nation

is dhs doing enough. good afternoon. we are here to discuss the oversight of immigration and customs ebb forcement's detention facilities and whether dhs is doing enough to insure that i.c.e.'s own detention standards being met. before we start, i'd like to take a moment to acknowledge some some of the challenges the subcommittee had in arraigning today's hearing -- arranging today's hearing. i.c.e. declined to sit on the same panel with knack mote toe -- nakamoto, the contractor it chose. the department's lack of cooperation makes it more challenging for congress to do its job. at a meeting with dhs leaders, it's important to the subcommittee to bring everyone's voices together. that's how we can best identify challenges and find ways to solve them. this issue is particularly important to me as two of i.c.e.'s facilities detain upwards of 1300 migrants from in my home district. i visited these facilities, and i have concerns about some of the conditions of confinement. and i'm not alone in having these concerns. dhs's o

we've asked for investment at the dhs. we're looking for the office to help coordinate and galvanize efforts across multiple components to support prevention and the whole of community effort we're looking for. that's one specific investment, mr. chairman. >> thank you very much. one of the issues that -- in light of what you have talked about, is this whole issue of domestic terrorism. director wray, can you share with the committee the challenges you have with your agency in addressing domestic terrorism? there's some definitional issues from what i understand continue to be a challenge? >> mr. chairman, i think what you're referring to is there is not currently a domestic terrorism offense as such. in the say way there is for the international terrorism side a material support to a foreign terrorist organization. having said that, we tackle the domestic terrorism threat through a wide variety of tools, explosive charges, gun charges, state and local charges, hate crimes charges. we use a lot of different tools to go aft

immigration and customs enforcement, and dhs, including as acting under secretary for dhs intelligence and analysis. our next witness, mr. william rajpal is a director of the justice, team where he is responsible for leading ngos work on aviation and service but. he is over 17 years of experience and was previously assistant director in the contracting and national security acquisitions. without objections, the witnesses full statement will be inserted into the record, and now i ask each witnesses to summarize their statements for five minutes, beginning with this patricia cogswell. welcome. >> good morning to members of this committee. on behalf of tsa's employees i'd like to express our appreciation for the continued support of congress, and the productive relationship we have with the subcommittee and the government accountability office, as well as the authorities provided by the tsa modernization act to 2016. implementing the tsa modernization act is a priority for tsa, and i'm grateful for the invitation to testify about our. efforts since its creation following the september 11t

the replacement will be the fifth place and to leave dhs in fewer than three years and even though he's leaving tomorrow the president has yet to announce who his replacement will be. what is the delay? we learned that the white house may be trying to find a legal loophole. it's completely unacceptable and would raise serious constitutional questions. also unacceptable is the fact that the administration's administrator has been dual headed as the acting deputy secretary of homeland security secretary of homeland security for the last six months. the administrator and deputy are not part-time jobs and debate require someone's full attention they are yet to nominate anyone to fill the vacancies and this is an unprecedented situation with real consequences for the department and the men and women working to secure the homeland. indeed i'm concerned about carrying out the mission. the chaos is not limited to the department unfortunately. on the third fbi director and third director of national intelligence including acting officials. he also has no longer a homeland security adviser or whi

he says i look at current dhs with great despair and worry. we need a presidentially appointed senate confirmed official in the job of protect ing the homeland from the land, sea, air and the ports and in cyber space. given this administration's focus on the southern border, easy to forget all these other vital homeland security missions. the job is too big and too important to fill again with another acting from somewhere from within the ranks at dhs. a president who neglects for too long finding a nominee for the job is himself neglecting his duty to perfect the homeland. thank you. you can read that full report on nbc news.com. >>> and senator bernie sanders says he is back. >> i am more ready than ever to help create a government based on the principles of justice, economic justice, racial justice, social justice and environmental justice. to put it bluntly, i am back. >> but a new iowa presidential caucus poll shows him in fourth place behind biden, warren and buttigieg. joining me now, campaign manager for bernie sanders. it's always goo

but then dhs secretary jay johnson added several countries to the list.so you end up under the obama administration iraq and sudan. >> correct. and now it became outrageous policy and xenophobic muslim band and without moral and philosophic that's what i heard from the chairman of the judiciary committee the trump administration didn't just pull the names out of their hat. basically as the previous administration with the addition of north korea and venezuela. so it's interesting to hear this inflammatory language being used. so will this change for any of the countries or any others in the world cracks spent the basic immigrant visa application has not changed. >> doesn't ask about religion quick. >> it does not. >> so do they ask about religion and interview quick. >> know they don't. and with that adjudication process. >> are there countries that provide information that they cannot trust the us information. and not just in this effort but we see that which is possible and then we will not accept on the watch list because of the political dissidents ar

, and proposed significant budget cuts to dhs's major election security program. all of these actions leave us more vulnerable to the ongoing threat to our democracy. we will not let this happen. elections cannot be a partisan issue. they must be an american issue. this committee is committed to working together to protect our democracy from all threats to our elections in all forms, whether to our physical election infrastructure or the ongoing disinformation canmpaigns comin from russia. i thank each of our witnesses here today. our colleagues look forward to hearing your testimony about your ongoing efforts to secure our elections and what important work remains to be done. without objection, the ranking members statement will be placed in the record and all other opening statements will be included in the record. i will now introduce today's witnesses. matt masterson is the senior cyber security adviser at the department of homeland security where he manages election security under the national protection and programs director. from 2014 to 2018 he served as a

more importantly, dhs is responsible for many of the most crucial aspects of immigration.here are component agencies, actionder and customs to and customs enforcement. before becoming acting secretary, secretary mcaleenan held important roles such as commissioner, deputy commissioner and director of one of the largest field commands. secretary mcaleenan received a presidential award, the highest civil service award. the decade before, he received a medal for spearheading efforts for a post-9/11 comprehensive terror strategy. he holds a law degree from the university of chicago. is as contentious, complex and polarized a subject as exist today. dhs and acting secretary at the center of that with changes in unfolding,cies cooperation agreements with mexico and central american countries will be reshaping refugee policy. we will discuss that at length. i know you're eager to hear from secretary mcaleenan and ask questions during the question-and-answer period following his remarks. i will turn it over to you, secretary mcaleenan . [applause] thank you.nan: [protesters chantin

protesters as howell coleman from the san francisco chronicle reports, there are few times that the dhs secretary speaks in public unless he takes question from anyone besides lawyers and occasionally the press. many in the crowd seemed very frustrated that this chance was canceled. here's a look. >> good morning. good morning. this time i'm interrupting you for real. good morning everybody. good morning. welcome to those of you in the room welcome those of you joiningus on c-span as well, i'm president of the migration policy institute . along with our conference partners catholic legal immigration network incorporated click the georgetown law, we are very delighted to welcome you to the 16th annual duration law and policy conference. you'll get a welcoming a moment from executive director gallagher i wanted to join with clinic and first of all take thanking the georgetown law center for hosting us once again for this meeting and particularly to the dean william trainer. to andy schultz was here on stage and all the georgetown staff were involved in putting this together because this c

dhs and by extension the accident asked mac -- acting secretary is an extension of that. the signing of cooperation grins with exquisite american countries for reshaping the immigration system and the refugee policy. all subjects will discuss at length today and a diverse array of panels. but for now i know you're all eager to hear from secretary mcaleenan and important to be able as the secretary questions during the question and answers that will follow this marks. with that i'll turn over to you and doris meissner will be chairing the question and answer period. secretary mcaleenan. [applause] [shouting] [chanting] >> sitdown. [shouting] >> sit down. [chanting] >> okay. [chanting] >> please, that's enough now. thank you very much. we hear you this is a forum where we respect free speech. we respect your right to protest, but with respect to the audience wants to the speaker, let's say the rest of it for the q&a period. thank you. thank you very much. please be seated. we would like to the speaker now. please be seated. [shouting] >> please, please, folks. please, folks

immigration and custom enforcement and dhs including as acting undersecretary for dhs intelligence and analysis. our next witness, mr. william roswell, is a director at the gao's homeland security and justice team where he is responsible for leading gao's work on aviation and surface transportation security. mr. russell has over 17 years of experience at gao and was previously assistant director in gao's contracting and national security acquisitions team. without objection, the witnesses' the full statements will be inserted in the record. now i ask each witness to summarize their statements for five minutes beginning with miss cogswell. welcome, ma'am. >> good morning, distinguished members of this committee. on behalf of tsa's employees i want to express our appreciation for the continued support of congress, the productive relationship we have with this subcommittee and as well as the government accountability office as well as the authorities provided by the act of 2018. implementing the modernization act is a priority for tsa. i am grateful for the invitation to testify about our

dhs uses interagency approved processes. regular review also helps. sorry, dhs uses interagency approved processes which has also helped to review every governments performance with this criteria that leverages the practical experience of personnel who work with the government and intelligence data on the relative risk and through this routine review to in seat receive improved cooperation for --improved operation cooperation with foreign governments. or example, one country were instituted a dormant program to identify criminals another helped to revoke the visas of the most notorious criminals including one that was in route , to the united states also another reviews there visa application also helping the command center to adopt more secure passports or to the interpol database for the first time and he countries also report for the first time irregularity to improve u.s. and international security. the travel restrictions that remain in place are there to mitigate the risks of the foreign government that are unwilling or unable to adhere to the c

the reported front-runners who both work at dhs in acting positions seem to be in trouble. is a guy named ken cuccinelli. you may remember him over the summer as the guy who suggested a rewrite to the poem inside the statue of liberty. give me your tired and poor who can stand on their own two feet and will not become a public charge. doesn't have the same ring. here he what today at a house committee hearing. >> don't want anyone who looks or talks differently than caucasian americans to be allowed into this country. >> that's false. >> i'm sorry. please don't interrupt me, and i'd like the time added back. >> that's defamatory. >> there is nothing defamatory about it. >> the gentlelady controls the time and the witness will get a chance to respond. >> thank you very much. you want to block immigration and make life harder for all immigrants and you -- making critically ill children your collateral damage in the process. >> after declaring that i am not a white supremacist, as you alluded -- nor is the president. >> okay. facts matter. >> well, ken cuccinelli has even rubb

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in 2016 dhs being new to not even know who to call. now we have a point of contact and information sharing. >> you do have points of contact for each and every state quick. >> yes. now they know how to share information with us. the most likely people to repor report. >> now individuals for each state who to talk to quick. >> are we talking silos or is it a two-way street cracks you have folks at the state level that you trust to work with that you all share the information on a real-time basis quick. >> absolutely. we have point of contact across all 50 states so they feel comfortable sharing that information and we can take not just respond to the individual incident but take that response distribute it broadly across the entire community so they can take defensive actions or look for possible compromises across the entire infrastructure that's the biggest area of improvement since 2016 the amount of information we are receiving from officials on a regular basis whether it is reporting for those detections. >> at the secretary of sta

even republicans are raising alarms at the trump scheme to install an anti-immigrant hard liner at dhs. >> you and mr. trump don't want anyone who looks or talks differently than caucasian americans to be allowed into this country. >> that's false. >> i'm sorry, please don't interrupt me. >> when "all in" starts now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. the impeachment of president donald j. trump is taking another major step forward today. the house rules committee is preparing vote on a resolution laying out the procedures for the next big steps in the inquiry including public hearings. they are literally convening right now to do that as we speak. the full house is then expected to vote on the resolution tomorrow. legislators have already heard dossens of hours of private testimony that continues to be more and more damning for the president. we already know from president trump's own words and phone call notes released from the white house the president corruptly attempted to coerce an occupied foreign country to manufacture dirt on an american citizen, indeed his possi

historically cpd responded to dhs calls for backup.t an immigration rally last friday the chicago mayor said ice agents. >> we will never ever succumb to the racist, is enough of the rhetoric of ice and we know that we hurt them and hurt their ability to do their job in the city, so be it, that's the point. >> the chicago police department says officers will help aid dhs agents in danger but not immigration arrests. chicago's new ice director says cook county ignored all of its requests last year to detain a locked up illegal forcing agents to make arrests in the field that sometimes required cbd backup. >> it only takes one public threat released to the community instead of 2 ice to change the course of your life. >> reporter: cbd sources say they feel the new rules send a message they won't pursues immigration suspects, delegitimizing their force. fox's judge andrew napolitano says the us supreme court has already ruled state and local agencies do not have to comply with federal agents. >> thank you. in new york city, a $250,000 fine

dhs has made it clear that it requires additional resources to fulfill the task. it's requested for example to help the state in anticipation of the 2020 cycle. may 15 2019, they testified before the senate that the u.s. currently lacks sufficient funding in critical areas to protect over 2020 election. unfortunately, however, president trump and his administration rather than listening to the warnings of the federal agencies about the seriousness of the threat picture and request for more resources to secure elections has done the opposite. the trump administration has cut the senior cyber positions downsized by half the dhs election security team and proposed a significant budget cuts to the dhs major election security programs. all of these actions leave us more vulnerable to the ongoing threat to our democracy. we will not let this happen. elections cannot be a partisan issue. they must be an american issue. this committee is committed to working together to protect our democracy from all threats to our elections in all forms, whether to the physical election

i recently reviewed a demonstration of the dhs new school safety clearing house website. it's schoolsafety.gov and i was extremely impressed as well. i hope once the website is launched, there will be an outreach campaign to schools and school districts so they can take advantage of the information as quickly as possible. two areas this committee could have the most impact, is the area of grants and marge communications. in regards to grants, grants can be used so -- i understand that fema preparedness grants can be used by local jurisdictions to support school safety enhancements. i recommend this committee consider ways to insure fema grant dollars that are used for school safety are used to implement the best practices identified on the dhs school safety clearing house website. and that they should be used on the most basic safety enhancements before anything else. expensive technology upgrades should take a back seat to common sense measures that enhance security. with regard to emergency communications, in parkland the first responder radios failed and were not inter

dhs has provided the committee with its september 18th role watching the same directive. what was the decision made to reverse to defer action on a case by case basis when he came to these sick children? >> that was not a change congresswoman holmes norton. it was deferred action as a case by case consideration. >> there was a category? >> no ma'am. there was no action you implied in your comment that this was just about people seeking medical concerns. >> check children. >> they are among those. we are at the filing that people are getting older and that's their basis. >> there was no directive whatsoever to reverse the policy to case by case and we did not understand the policy to be at the thug either the case by case will for. that's a testimony? >> yes. >> we have to look at every case and looking at the category of six children. i want to -- me i'm asking you because of a decision that directly conflicts with the recommendation your agency reportedly repaired for the acting secretary. just ten days prior to the reversal and i'm afraid to a memo with policy and strat

, the tone coming out of dhs. we're told by one person familiar, don, kevin mcaleenan didn't realize he was on the record during that interview, an interview that stunned a lot of people for just how blunt the dhs secretary was in it. >> you mentioned "the washington post" reporting, kaitlan. "the new york times" is reporting tonight that federal prosecutors are investigating whether rudy giuliani broke lobbying laws in his dealings in ukraine. is the president at all worried about everything giuliani has been doing on his behalf? >> reporter: yeah, he is. and you've seen the president express that not only publicly but we're also told by sources the president privately has been questioning rudy giuliani and his connection to these two men who were arrested recently this week. the news broke yesterday. and the president in turn has been distancing himself from the lawyer who has essentially been on television defending him for the last two years through it all. instead the president is now questioning whether or n

under that umbrella of dhs. depending on who the president picks, that will be a big question. the people he liked in the past, republicans have said are people who don't have a chance of getting confirmed. >> kaitlan collins, thanks. nick muroff interviewed him for the story ten days ago joins us now. thanks for being with us. first of all, were you surprised to hear mcaleenan's leaving? do you know more details about for sure was it his decision? >> yes, i think this was his decision. i mean, i got signs of that when i spoke to him. i got the impression this has been coming for a while, particularly as he has felt more frustrated and somewhat isolated in his role there as acting secretary. he has been acting secretary now for six months. he has done everything that the administration and the president has asked of him. delivered on the one thing that mattered most to trump, driving down the border numbers and getting the crisis under control. at the same time, the messages -- the messaging coming out of the ad

has the dnc reached out to dhs. tom: i have great respect for the career people. and we have gotten help from the career people there. but the problem is not the career people. the problem is above their pay grade. the people in the senior leadership. it is very difficult to set and have a conversation about cybersecurity and invite people and, when they have a boss who is actively soliciting aid to undermine his perceived opponents. i would be committing political malpractice to invite that in. past,le we have in the and we try to continue to work with some of the career people, they are compromised. not through their own doing, but because the people above their to grade are seeking basically facilitate what happened in 26 teen again. that is just not who we are as a nation -- what happened in 2016 again. that is not who we are as a nation. this hold to paco and ukraine is part of a troubling pattern for this president. his northstar is himself. the north star of our president should be the best interests of the american people. tom perez, the chair of the democ

under the dhs umbrella. so we have the whole of government, but i have to convince them that this is within the risk models that they have, the risk registries that they have, and the way they are doing things and our models are so different, but i would say that there is a huge trust model and a hoouj partnership between what is happening with the department of energy and the entire energy sector that if we were -- when we share that information they really listen and so it's incentivized that we need to do this to keep the lights on because we're such a critical need for the nation and the community all of the way down to the individual customer. >> gotcha. yeah, if you want to build on that. i know you were talking about similar themes? certainly. i think what it comes down to is addressing the domino impact that can happen based on the types of cyber attacks that we've observed over the global landscape in recent years. when you think about 9 million people over five boroughs within the geographic confin

at dhs and oversaw a lot of these relevant issues. he was also deputy legal adviser at the national security coun l counsel. and harsha panduranga, who is counsel to the brennan center's liberty association. before that he was a litigation association at simpson, batcher and bartlett in new york city. we're pleased to have this distinguished group here. mary, we're going to start with you. you recently penned an op-ed in which you proposed several changes, both to law and to the jurisdiction of existing institutions that you thought might help us to get our arms around and address this growing challenge of domestic violent extremism. may be used like to kick us off by talking about some of the changes you think we ought to be thinking about. >> sure. thank you to hosting this. this is actually the third event of the day i've been talking about these issues which shows how important they are to so many different constituencies. we start off with the muslim jewish alignment and carnegie endowment for peace and now here. i'm happy we're

which is dhs designation.d-in-hand with federal dhs on a wide variety of issues we confronted the state of new jersey. a lead in to say that from a clearinghouse perspective we absolutely welcome that i think in a place for structure directed and concise plan the best practices themselves can really help us full circle to what we try to do at the state level. we do a walk proactively new jersey but having the interface and to be able to point that back to someone from the federal government can be very powerful and talking to a super intendant across our 21 counties. to the degree they are the clearinghouse is coming online we welcome it. i think it will continue to help make our schools safe. >>. >> let me just i want to keep people much longer but i just want to thank all the witnesses for their testimony today this has been an honor for me to chair this hearing and hear from all of you. all with different experiences on this one very important subject. mr. schachter you brought up interoperability which has

groups advancing your name to be the dhs secretary.hat is your thought about the ruling that you and mark morgan at customs and border protection aren't eligible under the law? is pretty fine micromanagement on the part of congress. >> first of all the president, it's his decision and it's an honor to serve in his administration. as you've noted lou we have been very aggressive and i believe very successful. i'm going to work with whoever the president chooses. twith respect to the legal boundaries within which the president has to operate honestly obviously am a lawyer and i do work that federal employee lost is not my thing. i rely on others o for that so m not really in a position to say. i'm going to accept the judgment of the white house and i'm going to work with whoever the president chooses to follow kevin mcaleenan in the secretarial role. we have a lot more to do and we have a lot of opportunity to do it with this president's willingness to leave which frankly is unlike any of his predecessors republican or democrat. i is a m

who could be the next dhs secretary.ive groups advancing your name to be the dhs secretary. what is your thought about the ruling that you and mark morgan or at customs and border protection aren't eligible under the law. it sounds like pretty fine micromanagement on the part of congress. >> well, first of all. the president -- it's his decision. and it's an honor to serve in this administration. as you noted, we have been very aggressive. there is still more to do. but we have been very aggressive and successful. i'll work with whoever the president choose. with respect to the legal boundaries the president has to operate in. federal employee law is not my thing. i rely on others for that. so i'm not in a position to say. i am going to accept the judgment of the white house. and i will work with whoever the president chooses to follow on behind kevin mcaleenen. we have a lot more to do and we have an opportunity to do it with this president's willingness and ability to lead. i as a manager and leader in that environment

that umbrella of dhs. depending on who the president picks next, that will be a big question because the people he's liked in the past, senate republicans have said are people who do not have a chance of getting confirmed. >> cate lan collins, thanks very much. >>> nick miroff covers immigration for "the washington post," interviewed mcaleenan for that story ten days ago, joins us now. thanks for being with us. first of all, would you surprised to hear of mcaleenan's leaving, and do you know any more details about for sure was it his decision? >> yes. i think this was his decision. i mean i got signs of that when i spoke to him. i got the impression that this has been coming for a while, particularly as he's felt more frustrated and somewhat isolated in his role there as acting secretary. he's been acting secretary now for six months. he's done everything that the administration and the president has asked of him and delivered on the one thing that has mattered most to trump, which is driving down the bord

be the next acting dhs secretary.ficials determined he wasn't eligible, but they're trying to find, you know, workaround for this. is that because he's willing to implement such harsh border control measures you think, such harsh immigration policies? >> absolutely. i mean, just look where ken cuccinelli is right now. he's at uscis which is actually the lawful immigration agency within dhs. he's supposed to be the one who's bringing people in, figuring out citizenship standards and he's been at the forefront the last couple months on the exclusion rules, on all the rules that schultz -- congresswoman schultz was talking about. i've always thought he was going to be number one. but i will tell you, this is a really weird strategy by the trump administration because the republican senators are against it, already said they're against it. i'm not quite sure why you'd go against republican senators right now and it's really going to harm cuccinelli's effecti effectiveness. secretary of homeland security gets most of their

what is this three or four dh secretaries. gillian: something like that. leland: i'm leland vittert. the race to replace mcaleenan is on. and president trump says he'll announce a new acting secretary next week. >> both of you have been doing great reporting on this. what we're hearing that this was mcaleenan's decision, he was not fired. he said he was leaving to spend more time with his family, but according to the source the acting dhs secretary has been on the outs with the white house for some time and felt like administration officials didn't listen to him anymore and he knew he was not going to be nominated to lead permanently so he decided to step aside. he was appointed after kirstjen nielsen was gone. he's done an outstanding job as secretary and he wants to spend more time with his family and to go to the private sector. now, the president has said he would announce mcaleenan's replacement next week and a former dh official says that ken cuccinelli acting director of immigration services is at the top of the list. getting him confirmed would be

this time it's the head of dhs. what are we to make of this latest departure? >> so that's right. of the department of homeland security kevin mcaleenan is out. there six months after the previous secretary kirstjen nielsen was out. part of the continue churn at the department of homeland security especially in positions with a say over immigration control and enforcement. there's really no one there senate confirmed, hasn't been in a while. trump keeps using the vacancies reform act to install someone there who carries out his bidding but then doesn't often go all the way necessarily, and then arouses the wrath of stephen miller, the white house aide really the architect of trump's immigration policy. the most hard-line of them all, and then they're out. i think one of the things we're seeing from the trump era is how little senate confirmation and the system of having senate vetting seems to matter when you have a president who just simply uses that, supposed to be emergency authority to temporarily put people in bothe through congress. >> does it mean he'll want to replace mcal

citizenship is thought to be auditioning for this job as dhs secretary. in line with the president and steven miller's thinking. does not hold back on brags ideas about immigration. he's been in dhs for a long time and served during the obama administration. he's more of an operational man than a policy/politics man. so for a long time i think he saw kuch nelly as someone who wanted his job. the name is footed as an immigration czar before he got this current job. and so mcaleenan has been eyeing the exit. he told chuck todd he would look forward to going back to his role at customs and boarder protection. >> let's take a look at that. we're d we're going to play him talking to chuck todd. we don't have it. well, i have it in front of me for context. he said u.s. customs and boarder protection it, my home, my agency, my dream job but i'm honorered to serve in this role as a tremendous capability at dhs and when asked if it he would go permanent, he didn't sound enthused. what does it say about policy in the united states right now on the president's state

we see that with dhs. one of the things we're seeing is there are people like commissioner hovland, people at dhs trying to depoliticalcize this. those are very -- efforts we should support because it's important to deplit zblooiz. >> you talked about funding -- specifically in 2018, the election assistance commission, $380 million, 41 states improved cybersecurity, 34 states purchased new voting equipment. you said that you thought by 2020, 90% may have a paper ballot? >> that's right. states like pennsylvania which previously had many, many voters voting on paperless, they're moving to all paper. georgia which had paperless throughout the state through 2018, they're moving to paper in time for 2020. we're seeing this in other states as well. south carolina for instance. it's unusual now for states to have paperless voting, and as states move to paper we're seeing better and better audits of that. we're going to have the most secure election in 2020 that we've ever had. we're going to have to be more secu