ehrlichman or mr. dean know about the existence or the presence of those devices?at they definitely didn't know. >> from that moment the story of watergate takes on a whole different complexion. and the happiest man in the america in that moment would be john dean. >> what is the best way to reconstruct those conversations, mr. butterfield? >> well, in the obvious manner, mr. dash, to obtain the tape and play it. >> slowly, this smile comes over my face, and i said, get those tapes as fast as you can before they disappear. >> this afternoon i received from the white house a letter declining to furnish the eight requested tapes. careful study before requesting the tapes convinced me that any blanket claim of privilege to withhold this evidence from the grand jury is without legal foundation. >> nixon had a legitimate argument that congress shouldn't be able to delve into the private discussions of the president in the white house. that's a legitimate constitutional argument. but to invoke executive privilege to cover up a third-rate burglary was suspect. >> now both

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and parnas and fruman are like the holikman and ehrlichman of this strikadministration. it's a very ugly thing to say. understand we had the official u.s. foreign policy that officials were trying to execute and then you had this shadow effort by rudy giuliani with the support of other actors like ambassador sondland and donald trump. and they were undermining the official u.s. foreign policy in pursuit of totally illicit objectives. >> why is it shadow? if the president is saying in one way or another explicitly or implicit implicitly, you do what rudy says, there's nothing shadow about it. he has his tex messat messages, walking into the oval office with rex tillerson, asking for prisoner swaps. it was all done in plain daylight. >> except rudy giuliani was never a public employee. he was acting as the president's private lawyer and he was perhaps acting as an independent businessman seeking certain kinds of business deals, but you're absolutely right, he appeared to speak with the authority of a delegation from the president of the united states. and that will be one

you have the people inside the administration being sent, as we know, with halderman and ehrlichman andchell into indictments. then you have, of course, the tapes. i mean, the tapes were the smoking gun. and by that time, republicans had to respond to events. so, the question will be, how will these hearings educate the country? how will they make the country understand if this person is above the law, what that means? >> doris kearns goodwin has agreed to stay with us over this break. a big question for her on the other side of this break when we come back. e other side of this break when we come back. >>> historian doris kearns goodwin has been kind enough to hang around, and i lied, i have at least two more questions for you. the qualities in this book, which i sincerely hope everyone reads, of presidential leadership. what's your answer when you're asked about trump's brand of presidential leadership? >> well, just look at the qualities that my four guys that i studied -- lincoln, the two roosevelts, and lbj -- on civil rights they shared -- humility, empathy, resilience, the abilit

bob ehrlichman had been sentenced, haldeman had been sentenced, on and on. pattern for the president. >> in august of '73, he gives a speech, and he's in total denial, white and black and black is white. in just one year, by august 9th, he was out of there and it's republicans who go to him and say, you've got to resign or you're going to be impeached, we're going to convict new the senate. >> the big difference between then and now is that the republican moderate leadership, and even though who were kind of hard right, began to understand pretty quickly that there were real violations there. in fact two of his aides went down to see him and -- i mean, down in florida, and said, you've got to resign. that was early. that just came out six months after he did resign. because the record was replete with these gross violations of what he had been doing. at the same time, he was a sitting president of the united states. when israel almost we want down to egypt and syria, he helped save them. so it was a curious difference between then and now. the big difference

you know, mitchell and ehrlichman and haldeman if, these were things that weighed op him. and there's stories in there where he occasionally reaches out. when haldeman gets out of jail, you know, nixon calls him. it's a pretty emotional conversation. i mean, he felt their grief very personally. and so there are a lot of those stories in here and a lot of those conversations. the heart and soul of the book by design is really to show him kind of emerging from this emotional state in '74 and '75 and really focusing on his policy objectives and really sort of taking him seriously as an ex-president and what was it he was trying to achieve. and what he was trying to achieve was to become a counselor and adviser on foreign policy. so most of the book tends to focus on those relationships; reagan, reagan's team, schultz, al haig, mcfarlane, i mentioned earlier, and of course bush with james with baker and bill clinton. those are described in more detail. but there is certainly a good amount of him reaching out to his former aides, visiting with them and you just, you get a sense

joining us is john ehrlichman from toronto. did mr. trudeau win or did the conservatives lose?u slice it we've got a divided nation this morning. the liberal party wakes up this morning and power so that is a positive for them. him, whenather before there are big battles there can be casualties. he begins his second term with a minority government. you mentioned the conservatives. they kept the liberals out of the providence -- province of alberta. we know there has been trudeau mania. he has become a star and there was a lot of excitement. scandals,me, ethical broken promises left the liberals in a tough spot on the campaign trail. they did incredibly well in alberta and ontario. quebec was fascinating because found thequebecois vote overnight. tom: that's right where i wanted to go to go back to mr. trudeau senior and the tensions between english-speaking canada and the french of quebec as well. how did quebec and the entire emotion of quebecois fit into the forming of this minority system? >> i think right now in this country the reality is the canadian economy is still driv

and of course, haldeman and ehrlichman and mitchell all lied when they testified before the senate.nk ryan just mentioned something in his piece, and his piece is really wonderful and everybody should read it, but there is now -- maga now means make attorneys get attorneys. and that's what's happening now is everyone needs to get an attorney who has any possible connection to donald trump because they are all in trouble. and i think what we're going to start seeing is a rush to get to congress, because you can't get to a prosecutor because they're controlled by barr, and they aren't going to do anything. but someone's going to have to get in, and congress can give immunity. >> yeah. >> and it's just like what happened with us. john dean came in and jeb mcgruder came in and they got deals for telling us what they knew about the corruption in the white house. and that's what's going to happen now. people need to protect themselves. >> yeah. >> aside from protecting democracy, and it's not just our national security, it's world security. >> absolutely. quickly, what's your pin? >> my p