huntley: because, one, you don't have encryption.wo, like, it means somebody has to secure that backdoor, right? so like who holds that magical backdoor key? who do you think can keep that key a secret? and i've never heard any really solid arguments about, okay, what happens if the secret backdoor key is stolen. what happens if some insider risk at some telecommunications provider or manufacturer gets access to it? this is just creating some other new mechanism where people can have their data stolen in some massive way. mr. marks: is this a debate inside the cybersecurity community? mr. scott-railton: i feel like it keeps coming from without, right? every couple of years, a certain set of folks, who are struggling with very legitimate law enforcement challenges are like, you know what, let's take another crack at this encryption pinata here, and maybe we've got the case that will do it this time, right? i think, within our world, it is fair to say most of us believe, from a mix of -- maybe it's ideology, maybe it's sort of historic

profit can be made from it and people become more desperate so there is a very strong link between huntley and land and also between migration and then degree. tells rinaldo that she now has to get her charcoal from 160 kilometers away because sources closer to bamako have dried up it's a similar situation in and around many of africa's big cities the disappearance of forests and degradation of the land is a huge problem. how do we fortunately through famine manage that regeneration through the regeneration of trees and landscapes is a very low cost rapid and scalable method to reverse that degradation in the 1980 s. we're now discovered but in many places there are intact underground networks of roots struggling to grow pruning shoots can help trees and bushes flourish well vision is now promoting the f n n r technique in 24 countries around the world. northern gonna. was among the 1st farmers to adopt it a decade. go. it is strange so much in my village. we used to have to drive our cattle long distances to graze. cvs could steal them. but now they can graze nearby. but there's still a l

lemonis: huntley was $20,000. kalaydjian, $10,000. -erik: that's correct. -lemonis: snap advances... erik: basically what it is, is i borrowed $178,000. lemonis: and where's that money now? erik: spent. lemonis: well, remember the math that we did a minute ago? erik: that's correct. lemonis: $1.2 million came in. -$850,000 lost -- -erik: that was last year. that's this year. this year that those loans are on the books. it went towards salaries that were too high and advertising. our website was 70 grand. i don't do all the numbers. i got the numbers from a c.f.o. which, i paid him to do them, which is where part of this money went. what i do is try to keep the doors open every day, try to keep everybody paid here, and do everything i can do to make the business successful. lemonis: this is a tough one for me, because all i see is a monster truck and not much else. but the business has had incredible growth. it has plenty of opportunity. so, how many shareholders are there? erik: there's six. -lemonis: six shareholders? -erik: yeah, six. lemonis: and, so, wh

we have google's head of counter espionage, shane huntley.r electronic, and from citizen's labs, john scott railton. it occurred to me as i was thinking about the panel, you guys all look at a vast array of bad people and bad organizations that are targeting the people you work with from criminals to foreign governments to sometimes people's own governments and intelligence services and stalkers, malicious people in your life, stalkers and sometimes partners and ex's. and i thought heading down starting with shane, who are, rather than what are, the main people that are causing problems for the people you're trying to protect on-line? >> well, in my case, my team really focuses a lot and solely of government's -- and what we're seeing these days every government or most governments are really engaged in this activity for espionage, for speculation and information. and growing every time. we have the big maps where we color in the countries and we see a country which is like activity we've seen it from. and year and year there are more countri