lau chairperson of the international affairs committee of the democratic party welcome in london roderick y. a fellow at the asia pacific program chatham house and also in hong kong ruben want to judge a professor for asian initiatives at the i e s e business school welcome to all of my guests and to you here on inside story just to get a brief snapshot of what we feel about what's been going on in hong kong and i just ask you the generic question 1st the people there have varying opinions about what is going on and how they feel about carry land as we know it the political divide could not be wider at this moment in time what do you make a certainly the last few hours that we've seen in the legislature. well as you can see how it's split asunder people are very unhappy and i think many others like me want that situation to stay we're down i carry that it's just doing the opposite so we don't know where did this and read it's going to end we should see why and london perhaps an impartial view from thousands of miles away certainly what's your view of what's going on at the moment i think

roderick she says that china would rather see whole lose control of its financial gateway that ever seed political power that's quite a dangerous statement in lots of ways to come from an academic but one that you know perhaps should be considered and talked about even at this time. i think it is sensible to consider it i don't think we're at that kind of turning point at the moment but yes i think that is one of the sort of fundamental end if you like unchanging elements in this series of problems that we're facing at the moment and that is that beijing ultimately puts politics before economics and its interests in hong kong are huge for from the economic side but they would be prepared if necessary to compromise them in favor of of their politics but we're not at that position yet hong kong has been damaged the economy has undoubtedly been damaged and will suffer more damage but it is interesting actually that overall confidence in hong kong seemed to remain pretty strong and as emily was saying you know the people significant numbers of people are still prepared to turn out on the str

it is a city state and can i bring you in here roderick why when you have issues that caroline mentioned today that sort of was trying to appease the public which was about housing about health helping those on low incomes to be able to afford the right type of housing being having a conciliatory nature she actually said that politicians need to be aware of and i'm paraphrasing here feeling the need of the people the need to be tolerant and open minded and listen to all views i got a sense in that speech on wednesday that she was trying certainly to reach out what was your reading of the way that she tried to form her words for the public in hong kong i think you're right in a sense that she was trying to reach out she was using this idea that there is a strong economic motivation behind the demonstrations and that if you could. satisfy the economic problems then the some of the causes of the grievances would go away but i think that sort of putting the cart before the horse in a way that the problem really is to me is a it's a political one it's not a it's not a not an economic one the

you're nodding in agreement but just one quick call to you roderick and it is is kerry land between aock and a hard place because basically if she then goes into the legislature legislature on thursday as we expect she will and she receives the same sort of reception where does that leave her because she can't keep getting giving video messages to the whole cold people and certainly to follow politicians who expect to be able to engage even if they disagree with the leader of the administration of the island i think this is the real real problem that hong kong faces at the moment that there is really very little trust in the hong kong government and in and in the police forces but there's also sort of no real avenues for sensible political discussion because as we have seen the sort of legislative council which should be a real debating point. has not been able to do so and part of the reason for that is the intransigence of the hong kong government but part of the reason is also that it's very difficult for the protesters to find a political voice and somehow that needs to happen. br

lau chairperson of the international affairs committee of the democratic party welcome in london roderick a fellow at the asia pacific program chatham house and also in hong kong ruben one to judge a professor for asian initiatives at the i.e.e.e. s. a business school welcome to all of my guests and to you here on inside story just to get a brief snapshot of what we feel about what's been going on in hong kong can i just ask you the generic question 1st the people there have varying opinions about what is going on and how they feel about carry land as we know it the political divide could not be wider at this moment in time what do you make a certainly the last few hours that we've seen in the legislature. well as you can see how it's split asunder people are very unhappy and i think many others like me want that situation to stay we're down a carrier that is just doing the opposite so we don't know where did this and read it's going to end we should see why and london perhaps an impartial view from thousands of miles away certainly what's your view of what's going on at the moment i thin

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well i'm joined tonight here at the big table by roderick he's a veteran he's a member of the german parliament for chancellor angela merkel's conservative c.d.u. party he's also a member of parliament foreign affairs committee and he is a former general staff officer in the german armed forces mr he said it's good to have you back on the show let's let's start with what happened today in sochi and the agreement that we're seeing between russia and turkey what do you make of this common ground that they've failed you know my feeling is very ambiguous the advantage of this meeting was that we have a ceasefire also for the next 6 days however it is completely unclear whether there will be a kind of ethnic exchange what will happen to the kurdish people what's with the refugees in the area. there are a lot of questions the kurds said today that they've already withdrawn from the area that they're supposed to be withdrawing from the next 6 days so they say one thing turkey says the opposite do you think that we have a preprogramed military conflict between the kurds and the church in the

let's talk more about all of this with roderick why who is a former diplomat of the british embassy in china and now an associate fellow at chatham house and so i thank you so much for joining us here on al-jazeera so let's start with the latest developments we have seen for the 1st standing use of live and mission against that protester who is now in hospital what do you make of that d.c. it is a turning point i don't think it's a huge turning point it is a sad escalation and it is really sad that this young man has been so badly injured it was sort of coming because. the demonstrations were getting more violent and the police reactions were getting more violent and sooner or later something horrible had to happen and it has now happened today was always going to be suppose a sensitive day because of course china is celebrating 70 years of communist china not of a 1st time i've always has some tension in hong kong of course this year the predictions were it was going to be a lot worse than usual in light of that do you think things have been contained or do you think that basically it