i didn't read it deeply, but i think it said you went to washburn university? was that before or after, and if it was before, how were you able to avoid all the students and other people, you know, being in the academic life of that sort of influence on you prior to that? unless it was online, of course. [laughter] >> yeah. so washburn was actually before twitter, and it was definitely not>> a place that a westboro member would look for or find intellectualing freedom. and it's because it's a mile and a half from our house, from my house, and if we protested there every week from the time, you know, when the protesting started. we spent as little time there as possible, and, you know, i talk about the fact that we went to public school also before that. and, you know, so people wonder, like, how could you be exposed? we read secular books, we listened to secular music. there was very little -- very few restrictions on what we were allowed to consume. >> you must have been home schooled, that's why -- >> yeah. i should probably back up a little. but so, you know