course now they find themselves in the situation in which you have you know a new temple colonel alexander vin and jennifer williams who's an aide to the vice president my parents who were both listening into the cole both expressing concern by what they heard and both using a pretty strong word which is that they found it inappropriate and usual on usual and now you know. a century expressing their interpretation of the call in many ways what they've done is sort of almost diluted in some ways. the republicans have been focusing on which is of course whistleblower also we heard there in the report how they sort of went on the attack towards those republicans but you know republicans are going to find the very hard to sort of discredit these 2 witnesses you know we deserve to what appeared to be very credible witnesses with you know pretty impressive careers so we could say that today wasn't essentially a good day for the republicans. public to those witnesses that have been working for the trump and been the stretch and tell us a little bit more about who they. well apart from jennifer willia

listened in to that call you know as we've seen in the report there you know lieutenant colonel alexander vin you know he's a decorated iraq war veteran he was born in ukraine he moved to the united states as a as a young child sort of the american dream someone who can be trusted he was listening into that call as i said on the 25th of july and he said that he was concerned by trump's demands and he said it was inappropriate and also weren't you're going to air here quite a lot over the course of today and we've been certainly airing it several times and he said that he reported his concerns to the white house's national security council and that basically he wanted to stress that he followed all the correct channels when his concerns were raised now obviously you know he wasn't the only one speaking earlier today we also heard from jennifer williams now she's an aide to vice president might pence and she also mentioned that word inappropriate and she also said that she was concerned by what she heard on july 25th phone call with regards to joe biden she said it was on usual to hear somethin

president donald trump is underway in washington 2 senior officials left and colonel alexander vin man did tell her williams been giving evidence about a disputed phone call between president trump and his ukrainian counterpart both say they had concerns about the cole. so we'll get the latest from d.w. our washington bureau chief xander. welcome alexandra so what we heard from today's 1st 2 witnesses both witnesses today provided a 1st hand account of what happened on this infamous phone call between president donald trump and president zelinsky of ukraine on july 25th joining phil williams talked about that she saw that this phone call walks unusual and political in nature and lieutenant colonel men told the house intelligence committee how concerned she was and disturbed by this phone call and that he talked about those concerns will be in his chain of command out of a sense of duty and was quite interesting to watch this hearing and how the republicans who were clearly trying to undermine mr vint men's testimony they question he's a lawyer loyalty they are asked whether he ever lea

today including jennifer williams an aide to vice president mike pence and a lieutenant colonel alexander vin men of the national security council both listened to the phone call between trump and ukraine's president zelinsky back in july. today testified that the unequal bargaining position of the 2 presidents in addition to crane's dependence on the u.s. is that all of that amounted to trump making a demand on zelinsky and not trump asking a favor. it was improper for the president to request him to demand an investigation into a political opponent opponent especially at foreign power where there's a best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation and that this would have significant implications if it were became public knowledge and it would be perceived as a partisan play it undermined our ukraine policy and would undermine our national security ard let's take the story now to washington our bureau chief alexander phenomena she is on the story boards do not get any do you alexandra so the 1st 2 witnesses who testified today they belong to the trial but ministr

it's republicans attacked alexander vin man who's on president trump's national security council with doubts about his loyalty to the united states his testimony launched a pivotal week as the houses impeachment vest again reaches further into the white house. they had witnessed the controversial phone call at the heart of the impeachment inquiry lieutenant colonel alexander vnd mn top white house expert on ukraine and jennifer williams an advisor to vice president mike pence both told the panel they had concerns about the cole. part of the record with that i found the july 25th phone call on usual because in contrast to other presidential calls i had observed it involved discussion of what it appeared to be a domestic political matter it was inappropriate. it was improper for the president to requestion to demand an investigation into a political opponent opponent especially at foreign power where there is at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation the democrats hope to amass evidence that president trump abused his position using military aid to u

testify on tuesday 2 officials who listened in on that controversial phone call lieutenant connell alexander vin man the top white house expert on ukraine alongside jennifer williams an advisor to vice president mike pence both told the panel they had concerns about the call. i found the july 25th phone call an usual because in contrast to other presidential calls i had observed it involved discussion of what it care to be a domestic political matter it was inappropriate. it was improper for the president to requestion to demand an investigation. into a political poem an opponent especially if foreign power were theirs at best dubious belief that this would be a completely impartial investigation the democrats hope to amass evidence that president trump abused his position using military aid to push ukraine to investigate his political opponents the republicans again attack the witnesses rather than their evidence of course. your boss had concerns about your judgment your republican lawmakers question lieutenant colonel credibility and even his loyalty to the country being an immigrant from ukra

about to reconvene and they'll begin questioning both of these witnesses we've heard from colonel alexander vin min the director of european affairs the national security council and jennifer williams who is a foreign service devised president mike pence both of raise concerns about what they have heard on the telephone call that they both listened in to between donald trump and the ukrainian president as alinsky they used words such as improper and unusual and i actually took that further we'll return to that as soon as we come back joseph euro is with us at the moment discussing this further we might break a wife that starts joseph but i want to go back to something that devon is said again and this is been a tactic from the republicans hasn't it to cast this in his words as a shariah aid they want to muddy the waters it's a witch hunt how effective is that at least in the public's mind do you think well for people who are predisposed to be supporters of the president to be critical of the democrats and this investigation that kind of talk you know certainly. reinforces their preconceived not

that te ukrainians apparently offered a job to avenge men the job of the minister of defense- alexander vin men who was adamant multiple times a to a dismissed any questions about his loyalty said. he refused at that job and he repeated that time and again that he served one country and one countntry only and that was the united states of america and that's what he done. throughout his career in the mililary and again in the national security councill as he was advising the president all right now the proceedings are set to continue and all next there will be another a very high ranking witness. that we cut to vote. he's the former us special envoy when you cried how key is he in all of this. well he will be another a new type of a witness because this time the question about the weather and he is against- the president of the united states will not come out because- kurt volker wise a close a official at two at the u. s. at present he- is part. of what has now been called in the new group of the three amigos at him- gordon someone the ambassador at to the u. as well as a rake a perry these

we heard today from alexander vin men, the white house national security council ‘s top ukraine experte ukraine and is an iraqi war vetera n born in the ukraine and is an iraqi war veteran and appeared today in full military uniform to tell the impeachment enquiry that at times he could not quite believe what he was hearing on that call. he said that president donald's trump called for his ukrainian counterpart to open investigation into the political rival, joe biden, was inappropriate and improper and my worst fear of how our ukrainian policy could play out was playing out. that is what he said. perhaps surprising, the amount of tax that he came under today, both at the hearing itself from republicans and from people on social media. indeed, in the afternoon session, tim morrison, the lieutenant colonel's boss said that he had doubts about lieutenant colonel's linking —— leaking information and about his overall judgement. and the president envoy to the ukraine changed his testimony. 0n to the ukraine changed his testimony. on wednesday there was another big witness and some nervousn

and alexander vin min who works in the white house on the national security council he said that he was concerned by the call and he immediately reported it to national security council attorneys jennifer williams who works in the vice president's office said she thought the call was inappropriate and unusual and those characterizations of the call have earned both of these witnesses the ire of president trump was attacked both on twitter as never trumper as without offering any evidence that's particularly problematic as other republicans have come to the defense of colonel then men who served the u.s. army was a wounded veteran from iraq and who had fled persecution in the soviet union when he was a young child with his family so these are 2 individuals who democrats will try to prop up as sympathetic and compelling witnesses to tell the story to the american public however the hurdle that democrats face as they try to build this case to appease president trump is much higher they have to connect that trump they making the case that trump withheld security aid to ukraine with the purp

the first is lieutenant coloneln alexander vin someone who is working at the national security councilukrainee expert, ands someone with a purple heart. he's someone democratspoint to and say he's someone with a good charhter, patriotic, servede country, and someone who's had concerns in real time with th july 25th phone call between president trump and the president of ukraine.st vinmond l to the phone call and said he had concerns. repuicans say vindman has been inconsistent with his testimony and is someone who can not spe to whether or not the president did something that's impeachabl soouldn't be coming before congress in this way so that's one person they will point to you will hear the contrasting messages between both parties. kurt volcker is a long-time foreign service officer, aen speciaoy to ukraine from the u.s., no longer in that role, but he's someonetimes will point to who say when the call came out on july 25th, he was surprised and troubled. but republicans will make the case kurt volcker said he was never himself requested to doyt ng wrong. he's also going to say, the

of the call was released on september 25th 21000 white house ukraine expert lieutenant colonel alexander vin men also testified as did jennifer williams an advisor to the u.s. vice-president on july 21st 200-1000 present zelinsky one a parliamentary election in another landslide victory the n.s.c. proposed that president trump called president philippa zelinsky to congratulate him on july 25th 2900 the college heard our listeners on the in on the call in the situation room with white house colleagues i was concerned by the call what i heard was inappropriate. and i reported my concerns to mr eisenberg it was improper for the president of the united states to demand a foreign government investigate a u.s. citizen and a political opponent on july 25th along with several of my colleagues i listened to a call between president trump and president selenski the contents of which has since been publicly reported prior to july 25th i had participated in roughly a dozen other presidential phone calls during my closed door deposition members of the committee asked about my personal views and whether i

it includes testimony from jennifer williams, and a to mike pence and alexander vin a vindman who serves on the national security council at 9:00 am eastern. later in the day at 2:30 the committee hears additional testimony from tim morrison who is also part of the national security council and kurt voelker, former us special envoy to ukraine. >> fcc chair ajit pai spoke about 5g technology and the need for the united states to lead the world in its development and the importance to think about security now before the system is established. it was hosted by the wilson center in dc. >> good afternoon everybody, and everybody who is in line on the security line, and everybody watching us very soon on a cable network. i am jane harman, president of the wilson center and today we are probing a very complicated issue that is be doubling policymakers in washington and all over the world. at least three parts of that problem are the us, china and the 5g supply chain. the wilson center has just produced, let me get my prop, this is a prop, a spectacular policy brief by melissa griffith, who you

it includes testimony from jennifer williams, and a to mike pence and alexander vin a vindman who serves on the national security council at 9:00 am eastern. later in the day at 2:30 the committee hears additional testimony from tim morrison who is also part of the national security council and kurt voelker, former us special envoy to ukraine.

vin grad. sam, so far witness testimony has all been in private. we have seen a number of transcripts released from those closed-door hearings, among them national security council's alexanderan and fiona hill. what kind of issues did you see in their testimony? >> let's start with the walking, talking, texting security risk currently assigned to brussels. hill goes through in detail the security risks that ambassador sondland posed. for example, he used his personal cell phone. he went into meetings with european officials with no briefings. he even gave out her personal information, major red flags. he is still in brussels meeting with foreign officials. now that it's public that he had such poor counter intelligence hygiene, he's even more of a target by foreign intelligence services. second, this testimony by fiona hill and lieutenant colonel vindman really lays out what an easy target or willing participant president trump is when it comes to disinformation campaigns against their own officials. any american that served overseas knows they're a target for people that disagree with american foreign policy and what american officials are doing. that's a tale as old as ti