how are they combatting this ben duggan is joining us with the coalition for law enforcement and retail thank you for your time. >> thanks for inviting me, becky. >> how widespread is this problem? >> well, the national retail federation had a recent survey where 100% of the retailers participating said they were victims of organized crime this past year. i wish i could tell you that the piece you just ran with home depot was an exception, but actually it's just another example of what every retailer faces in every state every day 2010 the fbi put out a survey that estimated retailers were losing somewhere in the neighborhood of $30 billion a year to organized retail crime, but in recent years the expansion of organized crime into online platforms, ecommerce platforms puts the number closer to 40 billion. >> wow. >> i would say organized retail crime is one of the most significant and ongoing security threats to the retail industry today. >> why do you think the problem is getting so much worse >> i think they've expanded into online marketplaces. there's just so many more places for th