they worked for bobby kennedy and grew up being happy that he was president and the trying to protect> i think it shows a remarkable loyalty of the kennedy clan that they have this and never felt free to tell what happened. they were all [inaudible] i think that protecting the legacy and it's remarkable. [inaudible] many books out there and a lot of different theories but i don't think anyone will ever know. ted is dead and none of the girls have spoken about it. >> you had 49 years to talk about that night and no one has come forward and said anything to clear up any discrepancy of that evening. it's the right thing to do. i do. at this point, that's why we talk about taking mary jo back we will take mary jo back but that doesn't include anyone that doesn't include anyone else's behavior from that time be brilliant. be powerful. be the diamond you are. find dazzling deals on diamonds and more. the zales black friday sale. get 30-50% off everything, including this stunning 7-carat diamond bracelet. exclusively at zales, the diamond store. including this stunning 7-carat diamond bracel

another historical irony is bobby kennedy was convinced if you decapitate hoffa that would get rid of the mob from the teamsters union but exactly the opposite t happened. hoffa did dealings with the mob that kept them at bay because he was in charge except for the pension fund when he went away his weak successor let the mob take over so decapitating hoffa led to much greater mafia infiltration than before. that's what kennedy did not expect. the third irony the mob took over the teamsters hoffa was trying to get it back and really was the mob's decision to knock off hoffa that finally led the government to get its act together for the resources to discover when they put massive resources on the hoffa case and ease of maiming memos - - amazing memos we have uncovered racketeering between the mob and the teamsters as if that committee never existed it was much worse. this is the time starting with the hoffa disappearance that led the government to aggressively go after racketeering and fairly ficcessfully. so is a quote in the case if hoffa were still in the street there is still be m

chucky learn about it in the '60s. >> i can still remember watching bobby kennedy, an extremely tinye have any sense or general comment you'd like to say about whether the teamsters are a force for good or ill in the history of the country. >> today of the history of the country. >> a little bit maybe. >> i can talk more about the 50s and 60s and 40s. and 70s than i can about today. that's the period i studied for the book and talked about. it's a story of tragedy, i think. it's hard to exaggerate how powerful the team steers union was in the '50s and '60s and were powerful because hoffa basically expanded the bargaining unit to the national level and that meant he could, by closing down transportation routes and failing to deliver or failing deliveries to happen at crucial strategic points he could put economic leverage on anybody, and this is before -- the government tried to clamp down on this through labor laws that the teamsters had extraordinary power. hoffa was extremely successful in growing the power of the teamsters, extremely successful at bringing many hundreds of thousan

she was also very close to bobby kennedy. she would often take care of the children. ten children. that's a lot of work for ethel so teddy knew her from having seen her. >> the day in the sun had been a bit too much for mary jo. she wanted to go back and retire for the evening senator ted kennedy took the key to his black 1967 oldsmobile from jakku normally served as his driver that put teddy in a position to have to drive mary jo who was very uncomfortable with the sunburn back to the ferry to get back to her motel. >> ted kennedy said they left around a little after 11:00 o'clock. >> the two departed the cottage down chappaquiddick road. >> it becomes hazy. >> the ferry stopped running at ms midnight but they stayed late that night. >> was a busy night and it was so hot and humid. i sat on the dock. at that point and there was no traffic. he never made it to the very dock but was seen at 2:30 a.m. >> he went up to his room and changed his clothes and then talk to the room clerk. he complained about the noise in the adjoining room. he also said he had no money and ne

also doctor king and bobby kennedy.een here before. >> right. >> there is always the temptation when we see progress to imagine that progress is like this linear thing that it's going to continue to progress without vigilance we will roll right back as we've done with every other step we've taken. in the 60s after president johnson commissioned the kerner report and he spoke to white america is complicity and exclusion of african-americans from practically every field and then suddenly the doors opened and you had shows like julia, diane carol, the cosby show, we had a flood of films then in 2015 we had oscar Ãwe had two years in a row where none of the acting nominees were of color. what i'm saying is, this past year one of the biggest films with black panther. you would think that would mean black films make money. they do. and every study shows the more diverse a film cast, the more money it makes. >> we are nerds, we are journalists. but it's incredible but the problem is, this is the problem, we still lived in a ri

and doctor king and bobby kennedy. >> that we've been here before. >> right.so, that's always a temptation when we see progress to imagine that progress as a linear thing that is going to continue to progress. without vigilance, we will fall right back as we have done with any other stuff that we have taken. but, you know, in the 60s, you know, after president johnson commissioned the report and it spoke to whit white america's complicity in exclusion of african-americans from practically every field and then suddenly the doors opened and you have shows like julia, diane cabell and the cosby show, you know, we had a flood of films and the doors opened and been justhenjust what, 2015, we had o years in a row where none of the acting nominees were of color. so, what i'm saying is yes, this past year one of the biggest films was black panther. you would think that would mean black films make money. well, they do, and they do in every study shows the more diverse a film cast, the more money you make us. >> more numbers. >> we are nerds, we are journalists. >> that

is about the mob and labor and their relationship over 20th century and those that took place bobby kennedywent after hoffa very aggressively, he thought he would get rid of hoffa and save the american labor movement and save the members from this horrible person they trusted the working class hoffa much more than the millionaire. but the irony was in his super aggressive attacks on hoffa bobby painted a huge broad brush that staying all of labor really to the late fifties and sixties you can see drop in public approval so that is one historical irony is that kennedy was convinced if you got rid of hoffa from the teamsters union than that would get rid of the mob at exactly the opposite happened hoffa had dealings with the mob but also kept mma because he was in charge especially regard to the pension fund when he went away the very weak successor let the mob take over so actually it made much worse infiltration of the monsters union than ever before which is what they did not expect the third irony is the mob had taken over the teamsters and really it was the mob's decision to knock off ho

green did, ben taylor did, that's what bobby kennedy did.ote this book to emphasize the importance of progressive change. >> it's fascinating. thank you so much. what a pleasure to have you on. i really appreciate it. >> and my pleasure, too. thanks for the show, don. it really matters. >> the book again is "desk 88 eight progressive senators who changed america" by sharrod brown. roger stone on trial. and today in court insults, threats and "the godfather." >>> federal prosecutors at roger stone's trial highlighting the volume of conversations stone had with then candidate donald trump and other top officials in his campaign throughout 2016. let's discuss now. shimon prokupecz is here as well as jennifer rogers. shimon, you were in the courthouse today. it was a rough day for stone. what were the biggest take-aways? >> it was certainly a rough day for stone. it didn't help the judge in some ways scolded his defense attorney, said he was kind of being sleepily during cross-examination and she was worried he was losing some of the jurors beca

bobbie kennedy, martin luther king, and humphrey, and a few years later, george wiley. i came back to san francisco expected to devote my life to this kind of thing here, and everybody was off on the environment. and then, on the groups of, you know, affirmative action for women and for black people, and chicanos. well, my job in the federal service was affirmative action. but to see, forgetting poverty, poor people, the democrats turned their back on it after that. i only here middle classes mentioned once in a while, we must -- you cannot imagine unless you're lived in those -- you've lived in those circumstances -- >> president yee: thank you. next speaker. >> clerk: yes. we'll come and pick that up. thank you. yes, please. thank you. [speaking spanish language] >> clerk: ma'am, are you translating for you? >> sorry. let me get her notes. >> clerk: oh, sure. let me pause your time. >> hi. my name is sylvia, and i am here supporting the resolution in favor of asylum because i think that all humans deserve respect and to be treated well and they deserve protection from

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bobby kennedy got in the race. idea is thesehe candidates were not the person to be nominated. they said it could never happen again. as opposed to what? they still decided vice president humphrey was going to take over. they changed it again. into 1976, we will create iowa and new hampshire. we will let the people decide. now every state gets involved. as opposed to what? party insiders who are not represented at all? jimmy carter, the one person who created this mythology that you can be this random person, the peanut farmer from georgia , and be elected. here is where we are today, that new hampshire is still -- iowa is still first. their clout has diminished. they may remain first, but we are witnessing the most nationalized presidential primary season we have seen in the modern creation of the last 40 years of this latest information. consider the -- latest iteration. in the last dnc debate, there were 20 qualifying polls. 12 were national polls, which were completely irrelevant. i just wanted to have these polls count. why are we calling people in kansas? it does not take

, two of them have made more appearances on "meet the press" than you have, gorge mcgovern and bobby kennedy have known that? you will catch them, though, i have a feeling here. the desks, have you carved you're name in your desk already and seniors do this in all 100 desks, don't they? >> well, some senators deep harry truman signed tin desks. some consider it defacing public property. it started when i was a freshman and went out. we had to choose ten desks that were not taken. i was the last to choose, a freshman, i pulled out the desk drawer, there are no bad seats. are you not signature behind a post at fenway park. i saw the name kennedy after seeing mcgovern and al gore and hugo block. i asked ted, which property was this he said, well, it's got to be bobby's because i have jack's desk. >> that intrigued my. i share a love of history like you do, chuck. i begin to think of these eight senators, some of whom are pretty much lost to history. all of them believed as i do, that's really the key and the reason i wear this canal pin a canary in a bird cable fighting for worker's rights when

i read the part about bobby kennedy, glen taylor and wallace who ran the progressive ticket back in 'cause you laid them out to be courageous people that are willing to take a side for the little guy or little woman even though they know it's not easy politically. >> i wrote the book for the same reason i wear this lapel pin. the mine workers took the canary down in the mines. and the book i wrote for the same reason, to show the power of government can be used to help people, and that's what each of these eight progressive senators did from hugo black to herbert leeman to al gore and kennedy. and you think about the '30s -- >> social security was the greatest anti-poverty program in history. >> and republicans called it socialism. think about the importance of medicare in '65. they called it socialism. >> it's popular as hell. >> and all of those things, progressives passed all these. they were short-term victories. they had big victories. it didn't last very long and the money interest push back -- i'm not predicting this but i think things are building potentially for progressive e

eventually, bobby kennedy got in the race. later on, humphrey got in the race, but the idea is these candidates in these two primaries, worked not the person to be nominated. it was humphrey, and they said it could never happen again. as opposed to what? the party insiders still decided. they still decided vice president humphrey was going to take over. they changed it again. they said ok, here is what we are going to do. basically in 1972, into 1976, we will create iowa and new hampshire. we will let the people decide. now, we have more states -- every state gets involved. as opposed to what? party insiders who are not represented at all? then the mythology of 1976. jimmy carter, the one person who created this mythology that you can be this random person, the peanut farmer from georgia, and be elected president. now we have today. i'll shut up in just a bit. here is where we are today, that new hampshire is still iowa is first. still first. their clout has significantly diminished. they may remain first, but we are witnessin

. >> that was nixon's defense because there were break-ins his whole career, buggings, bobby kennedy.y all bugged each other. johnson bugged them. he got caught. >> that's right. >> he got caught covering it up. on a tape. >> we haven't seen the john dean of this scandal. it could be mick mulvaney. it could be john bolton. >> what is bolton up to? he wants a price doesn't he? he says i'll tell you all the truth. i got some great stuff, his lawyer says really good stuff, but i'm waiting for the courts. they're not going to wait for the courts for four or five months or a year. >> no. only bolton knows what is in bolton's mind but i suspect that he's enjoying the dangling these stories on the outside. >> oh, yeah. people like me aren't attacking him anymore. we don't mind this neo con for a couple weeks here. we can use him. >> yeah, i mean, if he is willing to tell the public any of these stories in a book deal, then he should be willing to testify. >> the democrats called it a rope-a-dope. they were concerned he is just stringing them along. >> i'm not a big fan of bolton. you know? t

two of them have made more appearances on "meet the press" than you have, george mcgovern and bobby kennedyg a picture. >> who would have known that? >> yeah, who would have known that? you're going to catch them, though, i have a feeling here. the desk, have you carved your name in your desk already, and senators do this in all 100 desks, don't they? >> yeah, well, some senators don't. harry truman signed ten desks, and some senators consider it defacing public property. it started when i was a freshman and went out. we had to choose among ten desks that were not yet taken as the last to choose, freshman, and i pulled out the desk drawer. no bad seats. you're not sitting behind a post at fenway park. i just started looking in the desk drawers, and i saw the name kennedy after seeing mcgovern and al gore and hugo black. i asked ted, which brother was this? he said, well, it's got to be bobby's because i have jack's desk. that intrigued me. i share a love of history like you do, chuck, so i thought about the eight senators, some of whom are pretty much lost to history, but all of them believ

that was -- [inaudible] >> assassinations, bobby kennedy, martin luther king. riots.convention, that was worse than the. >> don't you think it has permeated everywhere? >> partly because media has changed. >> that's true. >> and you're right about that. >> yes. we are looking to media as an example to how to conduct conversations in our bedrooms. this is a worse idea that's ever been. >> but it's also because there can be media in your bedroom. >> i tell people not to have it there but they don't listen. >> but social media. you do your own tv show, every little tweeter instagram or whatever is your very own tv show that you can do anywhere. >> and families, i saw the vicious kind of things going on between parents and children, both sides, and between siblings let alone couple, friends. i think it's the way it permeates everything. that's what's different. also social media is a huge thing. there was no unfriending in 1968. >> you call that the ultimate this. why? >> because you can't re-friend very often. if you do that to somebody, it leaves a scar. i only intervie

he was sort of the bobby kennedy incarnate.that pitch for generational change. that didn't translate when he was in a field of 12, 14, 17 other candidates. he really didn't find sort of a lane. his voice was not clear in this very large field. and because basically the field's so big and everybody kind of got their moment in the sun, his moment in the sun didn't translate into anything lasting. meanwhile, pete buttigieg has sort of followed a different path. he is just steadily raised a ton of money, which is basically what is giving him the strength to have this strong appearance in iowa right now that natasha was describing. it's so much money that he can pay the organizers to get him where he needs to be in iowa. he can run ads. he can -- he can be everywhere. beto o'rourke never raised any money. strangely enough since he'd raised so much in that senate race. never raised much in the presidential. so he saw the writing on the wall. he wasn't going to lead his supporters on any longer in iowa. >> natasha, so we're looking at

. -- bobby kennedy. nths later, i was working for upi in los angeles and i was at the ambassador hotel with robert kennedy. if you minutes before that, i was upstairs and i talked to robert kennedy and he was being interviewed. another was up there also. coveri went downstairs to -- you can talk about what happened there. he lost oregon. he won in california. jon: he only got in the race a few you weeks before he came here. jim mccarthy is the one who gets the credit for bringing bobby into the race because johnson was weak. surprises lbj in new hampshire. bobby gets in. heardst words which you were it's on to california -- chicago with when there. he didn't know if he could get the delegates against humphrey. this is essentially last picture of robert kennedy alive. he gave a little quick -- quick sign and went into the kitchen when he was shot. made an incredible photograph. one of my colleagues was with him also. i heard that something had happened so i ran outside and i saw ethel in the back of the am

said over half a century ago to farmworkers, with cesar chavez at his side, bobby kennedy height of the civil rights movement that they stood at a defining moment in history, a moment that he called a pointed and danger that would ultimately determine our country's fate and our future. he said and i quote, "when your children and grandchildren take their place in america, you will say, i did this. you will say, i marched. you will say, i fought. folks, we are at that point of difficulty and danger. this is what my mom and date you to say a where were moment. this is where your children and grandchildren will be asking you years from now, what did you do? because of the energy in this room and leadership of our candidates, i am proud to say that you will be able to say, i did this. i was there. i defeated donald trump. i helped elect a majority united -- majority democratic united states senate. i helped expand nancy pelosi's majority in the house. we took back statehouses across that the country. we have more secretaries of state, more state auditors. that is what we did,

they wish they slept with bobby kennedy or whatever. >> a lot of people didn't want to of course because she wasso beautiful , but i think that when you look at the, what you look at what that means in somebody's life, having a whole lot of relationships means that you have a whole lot of broken relationships. it means that time and again it didn't work out. this is a real source of pain for her. >> it's interesting because i find it, it is a source of pain, it is something that she wrestles with. something you as a biographer have to wrestle with and then beyond that becomes interesting for the biographer. in other words, i think what you're saying to is that there's a way in which the precondition if you will a biographer is to haveempathy . wouldn't you say? >> sontag demand as a biographera lot of empathy . >> you think she could have been a biographer lesson mark . >> that's a great question. i don't know. i think probably not area i think of alina, also because the, maybe it's related to some of her problems with fiction also because fiction is an art of empathy and it's an art of,

with what was going on in 1968 with the vietnam war and the year we saw martin luther king and bobby kennedyinated that it was an uplifting sort of period, a way to end the year on an upbeat or optimistic or at least emotionally uplifting note. i say that again because we live in volatile times. everyone think this time is particularly nasty. the same planet, the same earth, same ocean, same peoples, maybe generations after but the fact of the matter is i think sometimes views like this put it in context. a lot of you are thinking you are way over thinking. all the nastiness notwithstanding, we are going to get into the impeachment stuff and whose recovery is it and who is helping out the market, is it donald trump or somebody else, from space no one can hear that screaming back and forth. we will talk to harrison schmitt because something happened that bears watching today. we returned to space again today. not with human beings but the 12th supply ship, the resupply ship to the international space station. it is coming at a time we keep resupplying the international space station. american

kennedy. i said, ted, which brother's desk is this? he said, well, it's got to be bobby'sit looks like. >> stephen: inside of the draw. there you are. defacing federal property is a crime, is it not? ( laughter ) >> it is, but take it up with harry truman. harry truman wrote his name on ten different desks. take it up with him and your favorite historians on the show. but it is and we still do that. >> stephen: i don't know if you say this in the book but i know you're a man of faith. you have a slight issue with matthew 25 and i'm curious as to what that is. >> we all, whether jewish, christian, hindu, or none of the above and i know your faith is really important to you, matthew 25 has always bothered me, you know the language, when i was hungry, you fed me, when i was thirsty, you gave me drink, when i was in prison you visited me, whatever you did to the least of these you did it to me. no leader would have said the least of these, that you are worth more or less than one of your members backstage. they wouldn't have thought that way. a pastor friend of mine gave to co

so i said to ted kennedy then in the senate, he walks over and i said ted, which brother's desk is this. he looks and says, well, it's got to be bobby's so i started thinking about who some of these senators were. some of them i knew a lot about. not many. a few i knew nothing about. and i selected eight of them. no particular reason it was eight. and began writing and thinking and researching. and ten years later, the book was finished. so i didn't speed write this. i thought a lot about it. i read 150 books to prepare for it. but i wrote it mostly because i believe that the power of government can make a difference positively in people's lives. it's the reason i wear this canary pin. it's a depiction of a canary in the bird cage. didn't have a government to protect him. this symbolizes to me the role of government and positive impact on people's lives. some of these senators hugo black, collective bargains, medicare and social security and all that a number of these eight senators did for our country with these kinds of progressive victories. >> that was what was so cool about it. i learned things about glen taylor, i knew nothing a