joraning me now is greg orman, he ran in kansas as an independent for u.s. senate and governor. make the case, greg, that he should have run as an "i" and not as a "d"? >> i think there's a wide lane for running as an independent. he's going to want to make it a race betwe referendum on two. you can make it on both as to how they'll derig the system, use common sense to solve the problems and make the american dream again for every american willing to work to achieve it. >> look at the data. katherine, can we put on the screen what i was referring to? when you ask americans how they self-identify, it's 43% who say as an independent, 29% as a democrat, 26% as a republican. you look at that and superficially you say, wow, there's 43% of the vote out there for a bloomberg-type candidate if he ran as an "i," all you'll do is infuse the democratic vote and guarantee trump's re-election. what's your answer to that? >> i think it's a more interesting number out there. 57%, 54% of republicans and 53% of the democrats tell mewe need an independent party that. tells me americans aren't hap