and there's the republican chance se hansel and gretel bread crumbs.ver he says, you know he doesn't mean what he says and we gave them the aid anyway. which makes the whistle-blower in some ways the potential saviour of the trump presidency. because if he hadn't gotten caught, lord knows what he would still be doing in terms of controlling, attempting to control congressionally appropriated and national sure the-related aid for his own personal benefit. i suspect, i could be wrong, that we've seen the stories here. there's what happened, he has clearly put himself in position of trying to bribe the ukrainian government or be bribed by it, however that works legally. and the republicans are going to say, well, yeah but it didn't work. >> barbara mcquade, that question on what happened that jon meacham just raised, what, why, how who did it, last week's exercise from dan goldman, could you separate hearings like this from usual hearings when various members of congress just use their five minutes to give little speeches? >> yes, agree with joe's observa