and director hemminger and director torres said that doesn't make sense. so to answer that question, i think what we're hearing is maybe contrary to something that was said up here is that there are a lot of places looking to test these buses, so there's a lot of demand for these buses on a pilot basis, and your assessment is that that's valid, that they're not bluffing, that that's for real because they have enough other cities interested in these buses. is that a fair summary of how we got to today? >> it is. >> okay. so now, today, this legal issue comes up, and i have to say, i have the same concern that director torres just enunciated, which is spending $3.5 million to pilot something that we may not eventually be able to buy concerns me. $3.5 million is a lot of money. you can give, for example, a lot of youth free passes, as we know -- we've dollared these things out, and having been through many budget cycles, and having heard 80 people's comments about $600,000, i take $3.5 million seriously. here's what i will say to you: can you proceed with thi