. >>> the case of sandra bland is one that you focus on in the beginning and end.oking into is the yous of how the default to truth and transparency played into what happened in this interaction between police officer in texas and sandra bland. explain this happened in 2015. she was in texas for a job interview. which she got. and was pulled over by a police officer. she was african-american the police officer was white. >> he's -- this is in the wave of cases of african-american police encounter cases that start with ferguson. and go through garner and hers is in the middle of that. it was the most in my mind, the most emotionally affecting in some ways. >> the interaction is caught on dash board camera. >> we have the entire conversation. you can find it on you tube. that's the text of the book. that conversation between the two of them. it starts out it's the middle of the day. a texas town. police officer pulls her over. walks up to her window. and a conversation ensues. and what happens is she is very upset. and he misperceives her disstress as being somehow t

so i began and the book begins and ends with sandra bland.ing to understand these particular instances of miscommunication. >> let me bring you back to sandra bland, i was very interested when you started and ended there. is it that when we're talking to strangers and using bland, but the whole study you've done here, do we bring our preconceived biases and notions into the conversation, do we bring what we bring in and see what we want to see instead of what we see. >> when you break down, i spend a lot of time breaking down the specifics moment by moment of the encounter between the police officer and sandra bland. and what is happening is that he is, the police officer, for a whole series of reasons, his training, clearly his biases, racial reasons, he is not stopping her if she is a 60-year-old white woman driving a cadillac. he is jumping to a set of conclusions. she is distressed and he thinks she is dangerous. she is trying to deescalate and he thinks she is escalating it. my point is we have to restructure law enforcement strategies t

all knew that people weren't talking about things they were reporting on things the same time sandra bland was said to have killed herself in federal custody of a policeman and that story dropped like a brick and made money media and this is one of those things that i think all of us here are you know every day we ask ourselves like that as important as this important is this important and i think this is the thing that's driving our good reporters and good reporting and keeping us from knowing exactly what's really going on but i think the other thing too is you're you ask the question here is this important is this important important what local news is asking is this newsworthy is this newsworthy is this going to clicks is this going to get people looking at our station because again local news is suffering is it sexy enough this one it was pretty sexy not going to lie you know exactly what was also sexy those was the segment thank you so much. 'd i wish we had more time when i will definitely have you on again why no legal and media analyst lionel final media for me. thank you so much

black lives matter the women of times harvey milk gloria steinem are very laura trayvon martin sandra bland. and the injustices that so many others face that put me in this very position and i'm not going to act like my way this has nothing to do with me standing before you now. you know those are strong words and also the fact that should we all be kind of taking lessons from. meghan self awareness and even humility with you look at this thing that like look you know a lot of breaks because of the color of my skin and things like that should we be taking lessons from her self-awareness and how we can be better allies to those trying to get equal rights whether it's in sports or in society and all across the board she sets a really good example of how to use your position as an athlete to use your global platform for good and some fortunate college happening probably because he is a man of color he is not given almost the same respect that megan is and that's a shame and that's what she's trying to push for and that's a groundbreaking stating the fact he's calling for all of these minoritie

presidents of major institutions to be as paranoid and suspicious of the officer involved with sandra bland, i want people to believe in the truthfulness and honesty of others and let's deal with the bad actors when they come along to try to minimize their damage. >> so t is so great, malcolm gets all of the way back to the aztec empire. and malcolm's podcast, broken brother is back. including the black keys, norah jones, and more, malcolm, great to have you with us. that does it for us this morning, chris jansing picks up the coverage right now. >> good morning, it is friday, november 8th here is what is happening. this morning the 2020 democratic race as we knew it may be over. the former mayor of new york city. a man forbes says is worth $52 billion, and has influenced the 2020 election from outside, could soon be inside. nbc confirmed that michael bloomberg is actively preparing to enter the democratic primary. he is expected to file paper work to get on the ballot in alabama. howard wolfson saying that mike is increasingly concerned that the current field of candidates is not well posi

and of course, you're singing about police brutality, whether it is atatiana jefferson or with sandra bland whether it is sean bell, and, of course, these names these are continually being added to. >> yes, we keep changing the names and updating the names and there's names that people will be very familiar with, and others that they won't know as much. amy: i wanted to ask youou abot a difficult time, david byrne. after "american utopia" the cd came out, you put a statement out, essentially apologizing for the all-male musical cast who recorded this. can you talk about how that happened? and one of the things i think that comes out very much in "american utopia," you say, i'm part of the problem. you very honestly said that after the cd came out. >> yeah, i mean, i c collaborae with all sorts of people, genders, races, etc,, most of the time, but i was -- i was called out. what was intnteresting is i did notot even realize it that i had made a record and it was almost -- it was all men who contributed to the making ofof the record. that i is important ththat -- that someone like myself who

and another thing, when sandra bland was killed in texas, i didn't see this great white women sisterhoodd i get tired of so-called white women trying to list black women for what their struggles against white men when, as far as i'm concerned, white women are just as bad as black men, white men, and they, to me, they're no different. they just struggling for power, where they want to get the white men out of power just so they can be in their power structure and black women still would be where we are. my sisterhood are brotherhood are other black women and black men, because we struggle together. host: thank you for the call from georgia. your response? guest: you know, i really appreciate you saying that. i think that it's important for us to recognize that women are not the same. women from different places, different ages, different races , that's why we're trying to build a multiracial, multigenerational democracy. that does mean recognizing our differences. it means recognizing who has been at the front and who has been pushed to the back. it does mean reckoning the past and presen