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. >> nawaz: nick, w heard ambassador vokoun say that a fe time, threading the needle idea. what did you make of that? >> this the story of the failure of traditial diploma and the triumph democracy. burisma, the largest enemy inio ukraine, notly corrupt. after 2014 when the brits and americans proved into ukraine and trie h toelp with corruption in ukraine, the very first company the brits investigated was burisma. and there was a ukrainian investigation into burisma that got stopped. so that leaves us with burisma joe biden's son, hunter biden was on the board of burisma while the vice president was working on ukraine policy. we have heard that a lot from republicans. what ambassador volker is trying to say is that he thoughthat the ukrainians should vestigate buisma and investigate the ukrainians on burisma. what the president was trying to do is investigate burisma in order to investigate hunter biden ae biden. it is the difference between the trump administration policy of investigating corruption in ukraine and president trump's own policy when ith comes to to investig